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MJ
Kareem
Wilt
Hakeem
Bird
Magic
Russell (I hear the arguments against him but he won so much at every level it's tough to leave him off)
Big O
Shaq
Duncan
- Bill Walton would have been top-10 if not for the injuries. LeBron has top-10 talent.
dumbazz jewscoffing anyone else's list when you have Shawn in Kemp in your top 10.
lol leaving Kobe off
lol leaving Bill "rings" russell off
lol having jim duncan in top ten
MJ
Kareem
Wilt
Hakeem
Bird
Magic
Russell (I hear the arguments against him but he won so much at every level it's tough to leave him off)
Big O
Shaq
Duncan
- Bill Walton would have been top-10 if not for the injuries. LeBron has top-10 talent.
Yeah, none of that is one one thousandth as stupid as having Shawn Kemp as a top 10 all time player.
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1st tier - MJ
2nd tier - Magic, Kareem, Kobe
3rd tier - Duncan, Hakeem, Shaq, Bird
I have a hard time ranking guys like Oscar, Wilt, and Russell; didn't get to see them play at all and they played in a completely different era of basketball.
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Only a blind Kobe ballhugger would put Kobe above Bird, and on a completely higher tier.
+1. Pretty good Top 10 there....
Question
- Why no respect for Bird. He battled toe to toe with Magic and Kareem.....2 guys in your 2nd tier
- What has Kobe done to put him above Duncan/Shaq?
Either you argue he rode coat tails to win les like Shaq or you try and argue he built the Lakers (Gasol rings) but that still puts him short of Duncan
-Bird had tons of help as well to compete against the Lakers, usually i put him in the 2nd tier with those guys(from my posts in the past) but I decided to change my mind. Part of the reason I left him out is cause everyone else besides Hakeem has more rings than him.
-Almost everyone outside of people on this forum ranks Kobe higher than both Duncan and Shaq, and on this forum it's relatively split for non-trolls. Kobe has had as good if not slightly better career than both of those guys ALREADY, and he still has a couple of good years left in him... with a good chance to win another ring. His longevity is helping him(in terms of ranking), as it does with Kareem.
It's too hard to rank players by #'s or even by tier. It all comes down to cir stances that a player is put in, Hakeem won 2 rings with little help, while Bird had way more talent surrounding him and won just 1 more, but he did have to compete against the Lakers. Magic doesn't win 5 rings w/ any other all-star big from the 80s, he's fortunate he had Kareem. Kobe doesn't win 5 les if he wasn't put in a big market team like LA, Shaq may have gone leless had Kobe not turned out the way he did. MJ doesn't win 6 les unless he's paired with another top5 player in the league for the 2nd half of his career. Duncan + Kobe would've won more les than Kobe + Shaq, yet I still put Duncan and Shaq in the same tier.
MJ
Kareem
Magic
Russell
Bird
Wilt
Duncan
Hakeem
Kobe
Oscar Robinson
@ Amaso
- Of course Bird had help but Worthy = Parish and Kareem was far superior to McHale. Plus the Celtics had to battle the 76ers, Pistons and upstart Bulls. I mention Bulls because they were the Pistons biggest compe ion in those Back2Back le years
Who were the Lakers battling? Blazers and Rockets? Far easier road to the Finals than the Celtics were facing
- How has Kobe had a better career than Duncan/Shaq?
Tim has 5 MVP's compared to Kobe's 3 AND is the greatest PF ever
Shaq has taken 3 different franchises to the NBA Finals
Seems more like flavor of the month and soon enough LeBron will over take Kobe too under this logic
MVP's which is the bottomline on these lists
MJ: 11
Kareem: 8 (but he also loaded up in a much lesser era)
Magic: 6
Bird: 5
Duncan: 5
Shaq: 4
Kobe: 3
Kobe might win 1 more MVP (Finals). His credentials are severely lacking compared to the other greats
Times swept in the Playoffs
Duncan - 2
Kobe - 3 & he missed the playoffs
IMO, the Kobe has a better resume than Duncan is an opinion held by the casual/Under 25 years old NBA fan. That fact is it just does not compare to the Greatest PF of All Time for example. Just like in 5-10 years LeBron will be the greatest player since MJ under this logic
you should be ashamed
Tim in your top ten but he is big ty? That makes f in sense there.
This dude here is a f in clown, period! Too bad DIRK is not near the top 10 of all times.
Cool I agree there! No arguing as I am a Dirk fan as well! I don't like Dallas at all as a Spurs fan but Dirk is a good dude, a great one. He could up his stake soon to top 15 or near it with a le! Time will tell. I have Tim in my TOP ten of all times as alot do, but Dirk is moving up on that top 20 etc.
dirk is top20 no doubt
then again sooner or later must make way for lebron....in the top20....
They should rename it the "Hall of Skill" then, right?
You make no sense. Why is Russell overrated and the 3 HOFers not? By your logic should Red be considered overrated as well? When does the league start in yourOriginally Posted by Kyle Orton
Neither is Russell. His 11 les are overrated as given most of them were won in like an 8 team league with 3+ HOFers on his team and the best coach of all time on the sidelines for nearly all 11 of his les.
opinion, 1990?
Shaq is overrated.
Yeah, the Celtics did have a tougher path to the finals, particularly in the late 80s, but it still means they were only the best team in the NBA 3 times(theoretically), while the Lakers were the best 5 times. And yeah, I agree Magic had a slightly better overall cast... which is why I was pointing to the logic that it's so hard to rank people better than eachother. Magic won 5 rings playing with Kareem and Worthy, and other top of the line roleplayers... while Kobe won 3 with Shaq and then 2 with Gasol, which is arguably the worst 2nd best player that any of the other top 10 players had besides maybe Duncan and Hakeem. So what makes Magic better than Kobe? Career wise, Kobe has better stats(assuming you look at everything).
And your logic of total mvps is pretty dumb, considering you added in regular season MVP's rofl. Shaq taking 3 teams to the finals doesn't really mean much, he won with 2 of em, and he might not even been the best center on that Miami Heat during that final's series.
What does being under 25 have anything to do with people thinking Kobe is better than Duncan? They played in the same era, you're age argument would only be valid if you made that comparison with someone from the 80s, like Bird or Magic. Who cares if he's the greatest PF of all-time? How does that leapfrog him over the 2nd best center, or 2nd best guard of all-time?
I don't understand what you were getting at by Lebron being the best player since MJ by my logic. He's had essentially no real talent around him, but that's one of the reasons why he has 0 rings. Like I said, cir stances are different, and had Lebron been given the supporting cast any of the other players been given, he'd probably have a similar amount of les. If you want to think of how close all of these players are, just think about putting Kobe with Pippen during the 90s (assuming MJ is out)... those Bulls would've won 6 rings as well, let me know if I'm wrong.
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