Parker: Spurs No Longer Championship Contenders

[ElNono]

Bottom line, in a best of 7 series it's highly unlikely that the best team loses. There could be external factors like injuries or suspensions, but in the Spurs-Memphis series, they both went basically with the same issues going in. They played better, made the stops and the shots when it mattered, and that's that.

[DMC]

You're right, god forbid we take into account that the Memphis GM may have had some forethought and was thinking of the future when he made that trade.

It was a stupid trade. No one thinks 4 years into the future. Contracts normally only last 4 years anyhow.

I'm sure he thought javaris crittendon, marc gasol, kwame brown, and co would have an immediate impact and wasn't thinking ahead.

He was dumping salary and an All Star to the Lakers. Hey, I don't blame them. It's collusion, but it's not illegal. I wish the Spurs had more buying power for their farm teams like the Toros. The Lakers just have a better D league team.

I can see why you think that way, cause Pop and RC have shown no interest in the future

Laughing at your own joke is the first sign that it's not funny.

They have shown very little, but once again you are trying to shift the topic from the Pau trade to the Spurs front office. Keep it on track here. Memphis salary dumped to a team they knew would win a ring with the guy they were getting. Jerry West obviously had nothing to do with it.

If it were any two other teams, you would be right on the bandwagon calling out collusion.

[joshdaboss]

You really are a dumbass. This is like talking to a rock.

"We won 61 games, that means we're legit"

The difference with the teams you're speaking of(like the Suns) and the Spurs, is that the Spurs core has 3 rings together. When they win 61 games, it isn't on accident, or because they're a regular season team. It's because they were healthy for the majority of the year, players knew the system and had a set rotation most of the year, and because they got great bench play. It had little to do with 3 point shooting, although it was one of the things they did excel at.

[John Basedow]

Bottom line, in a best of 7 series it's highly unlikely that the best team loses. There could be external factors like injuries or suspensions, but in the Spurs-Memphis series, they both went basically with the same issues going in. They played better, made the stops and the shots when it mattered, and that's that.

/thread

The better team ALWAYS wins a 7-game series.

[DMC]

It's all I need when you consistently live up to the gnsf code.

If my argument is so weak, you should be able to defeat it easily. Instead you "gnsf" as if that's going to somehow make your point less flawed.

Explain to me how you think the Spurs were a legit contender with Bonner, Blair, and RJ in the rotation.

Please, explain.

I don't think they were a legit contender for the ring. I have said as much. Again, you are engaging in bifurcation/false dilemma. There are more options than the 2 extremes you are offering. I don't think Memphis was a legit contender. They weren't a gimmick however.

[redzero]

The Spurs core is old. I don't think anybody on this forum would claim that the Spurs with a young Big 3 would lose to the Grizzlies. The Big 3, however, isn't young, so you bringing up those rings is pointless.

[joshdaboss]

Explain to me how you think the Spurs were a legit contender with Bonner, Blair, and RJ in the rotation.

Bogans, Brewer, Asik. Anthony, Bibby, Magloire.

See how easy that is?

[joshdaboss]

The Spurs core is old. I don't think anybody on this forum would claim that the Spurs with a young Big 3 would lose to the Grizzlies. The Big 3, however, isn't young, so you bringing up those rings is pointless.

They aren't young, but they won 61 games. Young teams don't win rings.

[John Basedow]

It was a stupid trade. No one thinks 4 years into the future. Contracts normally only last 4 years anyhow.

He was dumping salary and an All Star to the Lakers. Hey, I don't blame them. It's collusion, but it's not illegal. I wish the Spurs had more buying power for their farm teams like the Toros. The Lakers just have a better D league team.

Laughing at your own joke is the first sign that it's not funny.

They have shown very little, but once again you are trying to shift the topic from the Pau trade to the Spurs front office. Keep it on track here. Memphis salary dumped to a team they knew would win a ring with the guy they were getting. Jerry West obviously had nothing to do with it.

If it were any two other teams, you would be right on the bandwagon calling out collusion.

Memphis salary dumped, and as a result they gained enough cap room to sign Gay, Conley, and Z-Bo...while add pieces like Battier and Allen.

There goes your whole bad trade argument. Pau Gasol was 0-12 and that was his ceiling with Memphis. The FO saw a way out to build for the future and they took it. Just cause your team received the fruition of all that salary dumping you're getting butthurt.

Fact.

[redzero]

They aren't young, but they won 61 games. Young teams don't win rings.

They won 61 games and they lost in the first round. What's your point?

I guess I should say "younger."

[Venti Quattro]

There's no such as a 61 win gimmick team. If it could exist, other teams would be doing it every year. The Spurs hit a bad stretch of luck and played poorly at the wrong time.

Hypocrites

...or morons?

Where were you when spurfans were calling the D'Antoni Suns gimmick when they were winning 60 games and face- ing the Lakers?

[DMC]

The Spurs core is old. I don't think anybody on this forum would claim that the Spurs with a young Big 3 would lose to the Grizzlies. The Big 3, however, isn't young, so you bringing up those rings is pointless.

It's only pointless if the Spurs were 30-52 last year. They had a winning record then as well. This same core has not had a losing season, have not missed the playoffs, have a winning road record for 14 years in a row. That's not a gimmick. Lack of interior defense isn't a gimmick, it's a weakness. Winning despite it is a strength.

Calling it a gimmick just exposes basketball ignorance.

[DMC]

Hypocrites

...or morons?

Where were you when spurfans were calling the D'Antoni Suns gimmick when they were winning 60 games and face- ing the Lakers?

If I was here, I would have argued against it just as I have argued that Kobe didn't rape, that the Mavs didn't choke in the Finals and many other "axioms" that linger around here.

Don't say "gnsf" then try to lump me in with all Spurs fans. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

[John Basedow]

Bogans, Brewer, Asik. Anthony, Bibby, Magloire.

See how easy that is?

Yes, cause a decrepit Duncan, 33 y/o Manu, and inconsistent TP = Rose, Wade, James, and Bosh in their primes.


gnsf, folks

[joshdaboss]

They won 61 games and they lost in the first round. What's your point?

I guess I should say "younger."

My point is, they never lose if Manu doesn't get injured the last game of the regular season, in a completely pointless game he should have never even suited up for.

[DMC]

Yes, cause a decrepit Duncan, 33 y/o Manu, and inconsistent TP = Rose, Wade, James, and Bosh in their primes.


gnsf, folks

False dilemma folks...

Why do you hate God?

[Venti Quattro]

If I was here, I would have argued against it just as I have argued that Kobe didn't rape, that the Mavs didn't choke in the Finals and many other "axioms" that linger around here.

It just wasn't you. The spur fanbase was ting on the Suns fans for having a gimmick team. It showed on the court too, so no problem.

Now that the Spurs have the gimmick team, you guys shouldn't have a hard time admitting it. Takes one to know one.

[John Basedow]

There was an iconic moment in the Grizzlies-Spurs matchup that was pretty much a microcosm of the series: Tim Duncan grabbed a rebound (with 2 hands) and Marc Gasol ripped it from him like he was taking candy from a baby.

Out with the old, in with the new.

[DMC]

It just wasn't you. The spur fanbase was ting on the Suns fans for having a gimmick team. It showed on the court too, so no problem.

Now that the Spurs have the gimmick team, you guys shouldn't have a hard time admitting it. Takes one to know one.

It wasn't me at all since I wasn't here.

The Spurs were never presented, even by their own coach, as the best team in the league. They were never presented as a championship caliber team. How is that then a gimmick?

You need a crash course in definitions and debate.

[joshdaboss]

Yes, cause a decrepit Duncan, 33 y/o Manu, and inconsistent TP = Rose, Wade, James, and Bosh in their primes.


gnsf, folks

I can play this game as well.

Of course Duncan, Ginobili, Parker don't = Wade, Bosh, James. You're really terrible at arguing, by the way. You named 3 players in the rotation of the Spurs, it had nothing at all to do with whose big 3 was better.

To be honest, though... Duncan/Parker/Ginobili are better than whatever 3 you want to throw out for the Bulls, Mavs or Thunder.

[DMC]

There was an iconic moment in the Grizzlies-Spurs matchup that was pretty much a microcosm of the series: Tim Duncan grabbed a rebound (with 2 hands) and Marc Gasol ripped it from him like he was taking candy from a baby.

Out with the old, in with the new.

You must not have watched Duncan play for many years. Duncan has always been a liability to lose the ball down low in the post. Even in the championship years, he had that weakness.

[John Basedow]

Somebody save me please...

Why do you believe in God? It's a crutch for mentally weak people...but it does help explain your arguments.

[DMC]

I can play this game as well.

Of course Duncan, Ginobili, Parker don't = Wade, Bosh, James. You're really terrible at arguing, by the way. You named 3 players in the rotation of the Spurs, it had nothing at all to do with whose big 3 was better.

To be honest, though... Duncan/Parker/Ginobili are better than whatever 3 you want to throw out for the Bulls, Mavs or Thunder.

Correct, because the three Heat mentioned have 1 ring between them. The Spurs mentioned have 10.

[John Basedow]

You need a crash course in definitions and debate.

The above statement is coming from a poster who was bukkaked by the whole board in a thread, after which he picked a fight with the owner of the site and got banned.

Just needed to put that out there...

[DMC]

Why do you believe in God? It's a crutch for mentally weak people...but it does help explain your arguments.

I am an atheist. When people find out, they say "why do you hate God?" It's a similar argument as what you are using. You are suggesting that, because I deny the Spurs are a gimmick, I am saying they were a championship contender. I never made that claim, just as I never claimed to be mad at a god I don't believe in.

It's a weak argument that's normally used by people who have been conditioned to argue as such without thinking it through. If you allow for all the possibilities, you have to admit that there is a spectrum of qualities the Spurs team could have possessed, and "gimmick" is a QnD way of dismissing serious thought on the matter.