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    Or they could sit on the MLE and wait for the Wilson Chandler situation to unfold.
    I was thinking the same thing. Kmart will be available in March as well.

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    Or they could sit on the MLE and wait for the Wilson Chandler situation to unfold by March . WE STACKED
    Since I'm bored...

    If teams truly can buy the players out of their China contract then how about this...Spurs agree to pay the buyout for Wilson Chandler, then they do a sign and trade with Denver for Blair/Dice and a first round pick. The Spurs suddenly have one of the most athletic SF rotations in the league.

    Problem solved.
    Still haven't heard if this buyout thing is actually true.

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    I prefer the starting SF to be a good three point shooter than a good defender.
    that has worked out well huh.

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    If Jebrenko plays like his rookie season it'd be an incredible addition!

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    that has worked out well huh.
    Yeah, Bowen, Barry, Jackson, Finley. All champions.

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    With all the best FA SFs signing elsewhere, I wonder if Spurs will reconsider waiving RJ. There is still a financial incentive to do it but it makes less and less sense basketball wise.

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    i think they have reached pas that line of no return..i mean would prolly be all butthurt with all the amnesty rumors and SFs coming to town..i think we end up getting J howard..just hope its not for any longer then 2-3 years..

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    Yeah, Bowen, Barry, Jackson, Finley. All champions.
    and Bowen always has been the starting SF...

    ...so Bowen was a worse defender, than he is a 3Pt-Shooter???

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    Highly doubt that. The Spurs interviewed Josh Howard before they publicly amnestied RJ. I think they still would rather have JoHo than RJ.

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    With all the best FA SFs signing elsewhere, I wonder if Spurs will reconsider waiving RJ. There is still a financial incentive to do it but it makes less and less sense basketball wise.
    Doubt it. Saving $6 million is too enticing for Holt to pass up.

    But I gotta admit that settling for JHo has me wondering . . .

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    Parker is one of AK47's best friends in the NBA. Time to go on a recruiting mission, TP.

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    and Bowen always has been the starting SF...

    ...so Bowen was a worse defender, than he is a 3Pt-Shooter???
    Didn't say that. What I'm saying is that I think that having a SF that can hit that historic corner three in the Spurs system would help us more than getting a good defensive player that is offensively challenged.

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    Parker is one of AK47's best friends in the NBA. Time to go on a recruiting mission, TP.
    That would be great. He's already made a ridiculous amount of money playing for Sloan, whom I doubt he really loved with all the yelling. Playing for Pop and his love for Euros should look more enticing.

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    Doubt it. Saving $6 million is too enticing for Holt to pass up.

    But I gotta admit that settling for JHo has me wondering . . .
    I guess the $6M figure is if Dice decides to continue. From reading today's E-N article about him, I got the feeling that he would retire.

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    At this point I think the Spurs should use their cash on a big and trade for their starting SF.

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    I guess the $6M figure is if Dice decides to continue. From reading today's E-N article about him, I got the feeling that he would retire.
    Would it be less if Dice stays?

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    Would it be less if Dice stays?
    Less if they cut Dice.

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    I'm confused. If using amnesty on RJ saves 6M, how can cutting Dice down from 5M to 2M make the savings less?

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    Parker is one of AK47's best friends in the NBA. Time to go on a recruiting mission, TP.
    This. I'd trust him at the 4 more than Bonner, tbh.

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    I guess the $6M figure is if Dice decides to continue.
    Depends what you want to compare.

    In a scenario where McDyess returns, Jefferson isn't amnestied and the Spurs spend the available MLE that would come out to $84.32M ... which would be $67.87M prorated.

    In the same scenario but with an amnestied Jefferson and spending $1.5M more of the MLE, that would come out to $62.95M prorated. And that's before subtracting whatever RJ gets claimed for. If for $3M, that would end up being a total savings of more than $7 million.

    So pretty much in any comparable scenario, amnestying RJ saves big bucks.

    The only way amnestying RJ does save a lot is if you want to use unbalanced scenarios like RJ and McDyess returning and only minimum players added compared to RJ amnestied, McDyess returning and a MLE player signed. In this scenario, the Spurs would still be saving ~$350K plus whatever RJ gets claimed for.

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    I'm confused. If using amnesty on RJ saves 6M, how can cutting Dice down from 5M to 2M make the savings less?
    Let's use some round numbers.

    Payroll with Dice and RJ = 74M. Lux tax line is 70M. Using amnesty on RJ saves 4M in tax and 2M in lux tax distribution.

    Payroll with Dice cut and RJ= 71.5M. Using amnesty RJ saves 1.5M in lux tax and 2M in lux tax distribution.

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    So pretty much in any comparable scenario, amnestying RJ saves big bucks.
    If Dice retires, amnestying RJ won't save big bucks unless a team claims a big chunk of his contract.

    Spurs will be at $72M with 12 players under guaranteed contract (Parker, Ford, Joseph, Neal, Ginobili, Anderson, Leonard, RJ, Duncan, Blair, Bonner and Splitter). Depending on how much they spend to fill up the roster,
    Spurs will pay between $2M and $4M of tax. The luxury tax should be extremely low this year (below $1M).

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    Let's use some round numbers.

    Payroll with Dice and RJ = 74M. Lux tax line is 70M. Using amnesty on RJ saves 4M in tax and 2M in lux tax distribution.

    Payroll with Dice cut and RJ= 71.5M. Using amnesty RJ saves 1.5M in lux tax and 2M in lux tax distribution.
    I guess I was looking at it like this: You amnesty RJ and save ~6M. You let Dice go you save an additional 2M (paying only partially guaranteed portion of contract vs full).

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    I guess I was looking at it like this: You amnesty RJ and save ~6M. You let Dice go you save an additional 2M (paying only partially guaranteed portion of contract vs full).
    Well, it does depend on how you look at it.

    For me, the Spurs have to pay RJ his 9M this year whether they use the amnesty or not (any amount claimed by another team is unknown). So, what costs savings are realized from taking his salary out of the lux tax calculations? In that view, the higher the rest of the payroll, the greater the savings.

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    So I think it's time to amend this to call it "top 23 excuses for not developing Kawhi Leonard until it's too late."

    Is that too wordy?

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