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Thanks timvp and all the good posters in this thread.
I think it shows the Front Office didn't work well in the offseason. Last year playoffs showed TD needed help. With Dice retiring things got even worst.
Bonner is decent for regular season but chokes in playoffs. I have no hope for Blair. Too small and dumb for any impact on D and now he thinks he can create his offense.
In the playoffs Tiago and TD need to play major minutes and we have to pray Bonner or Blair can give something (I don't think they will)
Thanks for the great work timvp
Thanks timvp and all the good posters in this thread.
Blair is embarrassing. I need a new sig. Instead of "the Beast", now we just have "the Beef".
There's nothing wrong with this. If he has subpar defense, you're supposed to do this. Let him and Neal chuck all day long, let green and kawhi defend all day long. I'm down. They're role players, it's what they do.
Thanks for taking the request.
Excellent analysis and good discussion.
Care to point me to the source for the data?
should let Timvp answer that question...
But this is an excellent location for starters.
http://basketballvalue.com/teamunits...-2012&team=SAS
Thanks.
Never saw that site before. Bookmarked now.
TD and Splitter need to play more together (now) to figure out their offense. When crunch time comes in the playoffs, I think a line-up of TD, Splitter, Manu, Neal and TP gives us our best chance. Either TD's jumper or Manu's 3pt shot needs to be on (preferably both).
With the pathetic (those playoff charts are horrific) playoff play of Bonner, maybe TD could play 35 mins, Splitter 37 mins. with as little Bonner and as much small ball as possible (since the small ball numbers of both TD and Splitter look good). And no Blair in the playoffs.
If anything it showed the reason to start Parker, Neal, Leonard, BONNER, Duncan. Sample = Minutes 14.20. Overall rating 50.00 (highest rated player combination of any playing more than 1 quarter of action as a unit)
I was out of town when you posted this, so I didn't comment at the time. But a couple of things sort of stood out:
I was surprised that the duo with the second most minutes together was Tiago/Bonner. I'm sure some will say "it's obvious", but that pairing wouldn't have leaped to mind for me. At the time Timvp posted this, Bonner and Tiago both had almost the same total minutes for the season, which is convenient. Basically, Tiago and Bonner have both spent almost 2/3 of their season on the floor with each other. (By the same measure, about 70% of Blair's minutes have been with Tim, while about 60% of Tim's minutes have been with Blair.)
One thing that was REALLY surprising about the Tiago/Bonner pairing is that the pace of the game is really slow when they are in together. Usually when the pace of a Spurs game is slow, it's a good thing because it means they are playing good defense. It could also mean that they the offense is stagnant and struggling late into every shot clock, but with the team scoring at such a high rate and outscoring the opponents, that doesn't really fit. (Note that when Blair plays with the smalls, the pace also slows to a crawl. The Spurs still score at a decent rate, but their defense is non-existent.) Put all that together and it really looks like the Splitter/Bonner combo isn't a case of misleading stats - they really have been effective. Maybe some of it is a case of playing against the other teams' bench players, but that's fine. It still means that there is a significant portion of games when we consistently kick the other team's ass.
It's obvious that the team scores a lot when Tiago and Bonner are in together. What would be interesting to know is if Tiago and Bonner are doing a significant portion of their scoring when they are in the game together, or if they are doing more to allow the other guys to score? In other words, do they score at a higher or lower rate when they are on the floor with each other, or with Tim? Does Bonner score less when he's on the floor with Tim, due to fewer opportunities - or more because of more wide-open looks? Basically what is it that actually makes the Tiago/Bonner combo tick?
Data my ass....you want to know the only thing and the best thing that will give the spurs the best chance this season?
Here it is;
Matt Bonner suffering a season-ending injury.
That's it. If this happens everything will fall into place.
Timmy will be timmy, Blair can play without being replaced by Bonner, Tiago can take his spot right next to Timmy....
Everything will be an improvement....
The biggest improvement?
head coach can get that Bonner temptation out of his in' hands....he can actually help this team instead of being the biggest detriment that he is right now.
No-one wants the truth though, but this is it.
Last edited by silverblk mystix; 02-14-2012 at 10:36 PM.
Based on timvp's fine set of numbers, here are the point differentials:
Tim Duncan and DeJuan Blair
+2.72 Point Diff./100 possessions
+2.37 Point Diff./48 minutes
Tiago Splitter and Matt Bonner
+14.62 Point Diff./100 possessions
+13.43 Point Diff./48 minutes
Tim Duncan and Matt Bonner
+9.94 Point Diff./100 possessions
+11.93 Point Diff./48 minutes
Tim Duncan and Tiago Splitter
-6.06 Point Diff./100 possessions
-4.36 Point Diff./48 minutes
Tiago Splitter and DeJuan Blair
+1.81 Point Diff./100 possessions
-2.99 Point Diff./48 minutes
Tiago Splitter and Small Ball
+2.25 Point Diff./100 possessions
-5.55 Point Diff./48 minutes
DeJuan Blair and Matt Bonner
-12.12 Point Diff./100 possessions
-13.27 Point Diff./48 minutes
Tim Duncan and Small Ball
+9.54 Point Diff./100 possessions
+14.05 Point Diff./48 minutes
DeJuan Blair and Small Ball
-15.41 Point Diff./100 possessions
-15.03 Point Diff./48 minutes
Splitter, in a Memphis interview, talked about how well he and Matt and Tony have been working together.
Of course, it doesn't take a genius to see these numbers and see what DeJuan does to the combinations. Just awful. Matt Bonner mixed with a legitimate Big, however, should make the haters at least take pause between bashings.
lol daily meltdown
Solid, with all due respect, did you see the numbers of Matt in the playoffs? They tell a scary different story and that is with him paired with competent bigs.
Regular season Matt has never been an issue really.
It's a combination of spreading the floor and the efficiency with which Splitter runs the screen/rolls. Parker and Neal both seem to flourish in the 2-man game with Tiago.
Yes, I've seen the numbers and I've seen his playoff perfomance with my own eyes. It's disappointing and I've bashed his defense, as well.
That leaves the Spurs with Timmy and small-ball in the playoffs, unless Matt can change his ways in May & June.
Yeah, I praised spreading the floor and small ball in the same thread.
Why is Tim/Tiago out in your eyes, Solid?
They haven't worked that much together in games, so you don't have much to judge them on.
I want Bonner to go as much as I wanted Finley gone. Pop will have win with real big man again instead of stretch 4's. Horry's ability to hit the 3 was nice to have but I believe all the other stuff he brought such as his defense, rebounding, and smarts were more important.
So that means you don't give your two best bigs a chance? Or are you only referencing what the numbers tell you to date?
I think when Tim and Tiago do work together, they need to run the Flex or other motion stuff and not so much 2-man screen/roll (too easy for the opposing Bigs to help in the lane). When playing with Tiago, Tim needs to play high post and out on the floor more. Tiago doesn't shoot well enough from the outside.
didn't see that coming...Bonner-Splitter rules
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