Refs bs calls changing the momentum

[thunderfan]

bro, you are cherrypicking my comments. the only reason the spurs were unimpeded on most of their le runs is because there was no superstar teams in each conference that would have brought huge ratings. Also, stern can't pull this bull every year or it would become transparent.

and as i stated earlier, bull calls are called on both teams to create the illusion of proportionality. the calls that make the big difference are the ones that come in the last 1/3 of the game. momentum killers man, c'mon. no team has momentum in the first 2 minutes of the game. what little effect that has can be made up by the refs through the course of the rest of them game.

Well, that's your opinion and I can respect that. At least you didn't call me a head like someone else seems to feel the need to do.

[z0sa]

At least you didn't call me a head like someone else seems to feel the need to do.

That same someone calls James Harden an unathletic scrub.

[spurspokesman]

These calls come just as spurs gain momentum to stymie their momentum. Very calculated. These refs are good, carrying out the will of stern.

I'm sure Timvp will be able to point out these instances more clearly in his game analysis.

Goaltending permission truly changed the complexity of the game. Ibaka got away with murder. Can't blame it on the refs but every time spurs were gaining momentum a phantom call ensued.

[thispego]

Well, that's your opinion and I can respect that. At least you didn't call me a head like someone else seems to feel the need to do.

yeah that guy is a schmuck. thanks for respecting my opinion. i respect yours as well and hope you see fair compe ion next round.

[thispego]

Goaltending permission truly changed the complexity of the game. Ibaka got away with murder. Can't blame it on the refs but every time spurs were gaining momentum a phantom call ensued.

yep

[TE]

That same someone calls James Harden an unathletic scrub.

That was a rant, dude. I rescinded that notion in a post yesterday after Harden came to play.

[thunderfan]

Well in fairness, the scouting report on Harden coming out of college was that he was smart, good court vision, etc, but he was not very athletic. I have no idea where that came from. Maybe he miraculously became athletic over the summer between college and the NBA. He's not Westbrook athletic, but he's fairly explosive.

[ALVAREZ6]

You can't blame refs for losses in the playoffs. NBA officiating in the playoffs is consistently inconsistent. That's simply the truth. The refs can kill momentum, but it goes both ways, sometimes its for the other team.

The Spurs can only blame themselves for these losses. They are not playing like smart, veteran, and champion players who have been there/done that. They are turning the ball over way too much in some of these games, and that's what really kills their momentum. You can't expect to win games by going long stretches of terrible shooting on top of many turnovers against a young, fast, athletic OKC team that makes you pay for every turnover in transition. The Spurs give up too many easy points and were only ever in last night's game for a time because of Manu's miracle threes.

The only way they have a shot is to take care of the ball, don't commit stupid fouls, move the ball well and take good shots. If they do those simple things, they should be in the game no matter what. Everything else takes care of itself.

[thispego]

AGAIN i'm not only blaming the refs/league partly. spurs are not helping themselves get over that hump. but with the ref's/leagues interference, they are still playing just well enough to win (at home)

[ALVAREZ6]

AGAIN i'm not only blaming the refs/league partly. spurs are not helping themselves get over that hump. but with the ref's/leagues interference, they are still playing just well enough to win (at home)

Yeah, maybe against most NBA teams, but not against OKC, so I disagree. You can't turn the ball over 21 times (games 3 and 5) and expect to win.

[thispego]

this thread is about GAME 4 strictly

[HI-FI]

I don't think the league is rigged but I've always believed the NBA tries to nudge or push things in a certain direction that they feel maximizes their profitability. They probably feel the THunder are a better long term investment than the Spurs, who traditionally get ty ratings. Plus Stern was already instrumental in moving the team to OKC, might as well help establish a championship foundation for that market to grow.

however, the trick is to force the issue and that's where we've been sucking. or rather Parker has sucked. Gino is a legend and he'll keep forcing the issue by being aggressive until the refs have to call something. Parker and his pouty french face just seem to curl up when he isn't getting the calls. That's a huge reason why we are sucking.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

The refs always make some bad calls, but the truth is, the Spurs didn't play very well last night.

[ploto]

You're dodging the examples I gave you that clearly demonstrate the message the OP initially tried to give (OP is a little slow, give him a break).

I am sure an OKC fan can find examples that seem the same to him. Look at the calls late in the game.

[DontStopBelieving]

Some of you are embarrassing as tbh.

[maverick1948]

Ok, so a "bad" charging call in the 4Q has an impact on the end of the game, but a "bad" call on an OKC player resulting in that guy (a huge defensive presence) riding the bench most of the first half didnt have any impact on the scoreboard. Makes perfect sense. Also shocking for you to reveal that SA was not assisted in anyway by the refs during their le run - given the fact that the refs are so hugely impactful on the outcomes of games and championships.

The two calls early against Ibaka were fouls. Instead of letting it go, Ibaka complained and then got a "vet" move laid on him. The bad charging call where Collison was still moving his feet had a "huge" impact on the game. Instead of a block with an "and 1", the Thunder got the ball and scored a 3 point basket. That is a 6 point swing. Instead on down 1, the Spurs were down 7. I wont say the Spurs would have won the game but it would have really made for some tight play from there on out.

[Obstructed_View]

That particular play is probably called an offensive foul 65% of the time. I don't see the huge argument. You have to call something there one way or another, do you not?

Collison stepped under Parker later on in the game, both of them went to the ground, and it was a no-call. So the answer would be no.

[pad300]

I don't think the league is rigged but I've always believed the NBA tries to nudge or push things in a certain direction that they feel maximizes their profitability. They probably feel the THunder are a better long term investment than the Spurs, who traditionally get ty ratings. Plus Stern was already instrumental in moving the team to OKC, might as well help establish a championship foundation for that market to grow.

however, the trick is to force the issue and that's where we've been sucking. or rather Parker has sucked. Gino is a legend and he'll keep forcing the issue by being aggressive until the refs have to call something. Parker and his pouty french face just seem to curl up when he isn't getting the calls. That's a huge reason why we are sucking.

Yep, they do adjust the tenor of the refereeing depending on the teams playing. For example, I'm confident the league gave instructions on what is/isn't goaltending. The Thunder picked up about four goaltending calls in the first two games, and then haven't seen one since. But Ibaka's still going after a lot of borderline stuff off the glass/on the way down, he's just not getting called for it.

[HI-FI]

Yep, they do adjust the tenor of the refereeing depending on the teams playing. For example, I'm confident the league gave instructions on what is/isn't goaltending. The Thunder picked up about four goaltending calls in the first two games, and then haven't seen one since. But Ibaka's still going after a lot of borderline stuff off the glass/on the way down, he's just not getting called for it.

the Ibaka goaltending is becoming a running joke at this point. I can imagine missing one, but now they seem to be letting him knock down everything. Some on here say it doesn't matter, but considering how close these games are coming down to, I believe a couple extra points do add up.

i still believe the biggest problem is Parker is not handling this very well. I knew the officiating was gonna be biased at worst, inconsistent at best. Parker just needs to quit sulking and play through it, not developing his tunnel vision which seems to be a reoccurring problem. I am not a Parker ballwasher, I just hope he has a good game for the team's sake.

[therealtruth]

the Ibaka goaltending is becoming a running joke at this point. I can imagine missing one, but now they seem to be letting him knock down everything. Some on here say it doesn't matter, but considering how close these games are coming down to, I believe a couple extra points do add up.

i still believe the biggest problem is Parker is not handling this very well. I knew the officiating was gonna be biased at worst, inconsistent at best. Parker just needs to quit sulking and play through it, not developing his tunnel vision which seems to be a reoccurring problem. I am not a Parker ballwasher, I just hope he has a good game for the team's sake.

The Spurs have to throw their bodies into Ibaka to draw the foul on him.