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TOO bad your so called exciting team never won shyt man, which is why you are hating on the team that prevented it the most in the Spurs.
And?...
Once again, the only fans who make excuses for poor national TV ratings are those with an inferiority complex. In fact, you're showing yours right now because you have no other way to diminish the Spurs' success besides ratings, which no reasonable Spurs fan truly gives a about. But hey...
TOO bad your so called exciting team never won shyt man, which is why you are hating on the team that prevented it the most in the Spurs.
Market sizes mean SOMETHING. It's not as black and white as you make it out to be....or in your case, how you leave out crucial info which proves it's more shades of grey.
No, I dont believe that Jordan's return from baseball meant a higher orlando/Houston rating than the New York/Houston rating the year before.
I attribute at least 90% of it to Penny Hardaway and Shaquille Oneal's national appeal in the mid 90s.
Blue Chips (Nick Nolte movie starring both Shaq and Penny). Lil Penny. Shaq tearing down back boards. Shaq rapping on Arsenio Hall. Shaq's rivalry with Hakeem Olajuwon (they had Taco bell commercials together).
Take yourself back to the mid 90s. The Orlando Magic was HUGE.
Have you stopped beating your wife?
From Bleacher Report:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/5...tayed-togetherAnother player you could have added to the list is a guy by the name of Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway, O'Neal's teammate during his days with the Orlando Magic. If you followed the NBA in the 1990s, then this man doesn't need any introduction.
Everybody knew Penny back then.
He had his own Nike kicks, a puppet named "Lil' Penny" and was one of the league's most exciting stars. Tons of fans across the country sported his pinstriped No. 1 Orlando jersey.
B-side attraction...recognize.
Answer the question....do you really think that if Jeremy Lin did exactly the same thing he did, but he was playing for Milwaukee, that he would have the SAME amount of attention?
Answer the question.
The fact that you used Bleacher report as your source of info is laughable.
I lived the 70's and beyond in Basketball.
I know about the bicycle built for 2 commercials with Shaq and Hakeem. I knew Hakeem when he was known as Akeem. But seriously, if you're telling us that Jordan's mere presence isn't going to affect ratings, then why does the NBA stick to the star theory instead of the team theory like the NFL? It's because that's all they know how to do. For the NBA and their media partners, principally, the 4letter network. It's easy for them to push American Made College Stars like Kevin Durant and Russel Westbrook as opposed to 2 International Basketball Players like Parker and Ginobili. If you don't get that...then you haven't been watching at all. It's Nationalism at it's finest. To get past it, you have to be media-approachable. The Spurs stars are not...probably because that's how Pop wants it. A guy like Manny Pacquiao is approachable. That's what makes it possible for him, a Filipino, to be more likable than Floyd Mayweather, an American, who does himself no favors in popularity other than making gobs of cash, because he wants to be the villain. Nationalism exists and it happens to the Spurs. So much so, that the media uses Selective Mutism to find a way to not talk about the Spurs.
But it....4 les later. Spurs fan is happy with rings.
Checkmate nicely played sir.
The most boring NBA franchise with four championships ever. Got it.
Frankly, popularity among the general American public is not something to be proud of, but I digress.
No, I dont think Jordan's mere presence affects ratings.
Luckily for me, Jordan retired THREE TIMES!!!
Thus, lets look at what happened when Jordan came out of retirement a second time (and wasnt in the finals).
NBC 2001 Los Angeles Lakers 4, Philadelphia 76ers 1 12.1
NBC 2002 Los Angeles Lakers 4, New Jersey Nets 0 10.2 (Jordan comes back)
Ratings went D-D-D-Down!!!
Holy crap. That just KILLED your argument.
So maybe the finals ratings has more to do with the two teams actually playing and less to with whether or not his airness was in the league, yes?
Last edited by da_suns_fan; 06-14-2012 at 01:03 AM.
You cannot be this dense...but just reading your posts prove that you are without a doubt.
First...you use Jordan Era as a hypothesis about how small market succeeds. Playing up the B-side attractions.
So now you want to use Jordan, who no longer is at the peak of his skills AKA Prime...playing for the Washington Wizards no less, as a draw to prove your argument?
Tell me...Did the Wizards make the playoffs Jordan's final year there? NO...So again...No Jordan lead in for the playoffs...but check the ratings for the Wizards when he played as opposed to when he did not.
You can't handle the truth...that's why you lie to prop up your argument.
Also...why does it take you an hour to respond? You need to learn how to google faster.
But in case you need scientific proof that Jordan's mere presence affects TV ratings well...
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/200...74-2008/19324/
You've just been FACIALIZED. You might as well pick up your ball and go home.Quick, guess which year was Michael Jordan's last in the NBA Finals?
Marketed far more on the power of individual stars than any other US team sport, NBA Basketball suffers the most when it lacks those charismatic stars in postseason play.
1987-1989 were the end of the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird era. 1990 saw an interim year and a ratings low. 1991 began the Michael Jordan championship era, with the Chicago Bulls winning championships in 1991, 1992 and 1993. During Jordan's minor league baseball excursion years of 1994 & 1995, the Hakeem Olajuwon lead Houston Rockets didn't have nearly the star power and ratings crashed again.
Tired of being a mediocre baseball player, Jordan's return brought NBA postseason ratings up again for 1996, 1997 and 1998. His final year being the best finals ratings of his career (and the highest HH ratings we have in our data going back to 1974). Another interim year after Jordan's exit and ratings plunged again. One might have thought that the Kobe/Shaq lead LA Lakers might have raised ratings back to Jordanesqe levels, but they merely halted the decline near the 1990 & 1994 lows from 2000-2002.
Holy suns fan...you have no retort whatsoever because facts is facts.
I gave you a in' graph to prove the Jordan effect. Do you believe that?
Yup...that happened. 1 hour later....you got nada.
All that posturing and BAM...Freight trained by a ing graph by the company whose primary function is to measure and explain TV ratings. A company that I USED TO WORK FOR.
Ain't that a ?
I'm SHOCKED that a finals featuring a three-time MVP and a three-time scoring leader would have high ratings!!!
SHOCKED!!!
Stop caring about the Spurs and their fans as much as you do, Suns fan.
Who says the Spurs are boring?
Congrats Suns fan. You were the no accomplishment, high ratings darlings of that era - you were the Jersey Shore of the NBA.
The Spurs were the niche cable series that you had to know something about the game to appreciate - our team was Game of Thrones.
Yup. Suns won People's Choice awards; Spurs won Emmys.
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I want you to understand. I should have given up on you a while ago but I honestly feel sorry for you.
The article you just quoted says that ratings were down in 94 and 95 because the Rockets werent the draw Jordan was. What I want to know is WHY the ratings in 95 were higher than in 94. That article you quoted doesnt go into that at all.
Just to be CLEAR, my theory is this: The Orlando Magic were a bigger national draw in 1995 than the Kicks were in 1994 and this is why 1995 had a bigger rating than 1994 (even though both finals were against the Rockets).
Youre claiming that none of this matters and the only reason ratings went down in 94 and then back up in 95 is because Jordan was out of the league in 94 and back in 95.
Does it matter? Regardless, you just admitted that market sizes DONT MATTER and the only thing that does matter is whether or not Jordan is in the league.
My tangent on Jordan's years with the Wizards was just to prove that your "Jordan effect" on finals in which HE DOESNT PLAY is stupid. The Jordan effect means high finals ratings when Jordan was in the finals. To say he affected finals ratings when he wasnt there is quite the stretch.
Youre telling me that if you asked someone who watched Magic/Rockets but skipped Knicks/Rockets the year before why they were watched the former and not the latter they would say "Well jordan is back in the league so i CARE again?" Do you even understand how incredibly stupid you are?
I say this (again) but you STILL wont get it. You'll try to argue that game in which Jordan plays have high ratings (which I never disputed) or that ratings increased when Jordan was back in the finals (which I never disputed either).
You dont even understand what we're arguing. You just dont get it.
Last edited by da_suns_fan; 06-14-2012 at 10:24 AM.
Duncan was a two-time MVP and Lebron has scoring les.
Yet the Spurs and Cavs set the ratings low mark.
Spurs ran over LeBron like a freight train. Not much to watch, tbh, unless you're a Spurs fan.
CORRECT!!!
A spurs fan with a brain! I had my doubts after reading all that crap from "Man in Black".
Yea Duncan was a MVP like 5 years before they played Lebron fail example. Durant and Lebron are Scoring champ and MVP right now.
Also ignored here is that this is OKC's first finals rodeo - which tends to draw more interest. "Old Hat" finalists don't do as well.
The '99 Spurs/Knicks series drew better ratings than the Lakers/Nets in '02.
If Durant gets to 3 or 4 of these without providing any off-court drama, the casual fans will likely stop tuning in there as well.
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