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    Huh? The stock market heist was one of the first things that happened, no? It is what bankrupted Bruce Wayne and led to him giving the girl the power to be the CEO (Raz's daughter). That all happened before things went nuts.
    Yeah like one day before. The board wanted him gone. They weren't anxious to stop the take over. Heist happens, the next day he's out. It took Fox that night to figure out exactly what they were doing.

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    How would you know any lake is toxic?

    The prison was a metaphor in that it did what the pit in the comic books did in a real world way. Nolan never brought in magic to his series, so he couldn't bring in magic of that sort.
    I don't know it was toxic - I used that word to describe what I saw in the background because I have never seen a mountain dew colored lake before.

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    His pain from what? And what did the mask do (was it giving him medicine?) to ease the pain?
    Bane was ed up by the other prisoners after helping Talia escape. Remember the part that showed his face wrapped in bloody wraps? The mask administered anesthesia.

    Also, I get what you are saying about the prison being the pit - but that is not what the pit was in the comics, correct? There was actually several pits around the world with seemingly magical powers to heal the hurt and give them strength, right?
    The Lazarus Pits could revive dead people, but they also made them slightly crazier each time they were used. Ra's Al Ghul in the comics used the pit for hundreds of years. The movie Ra's Al Ghul, instead, used decoys of himself to make it seem like he was immortal. Nobody was revived by any magical pits in the movie.

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    Ya that is what bothers me. Wayne only gave Talia access because he was bankrupt and the board was calling for his head due to him "shorting the stocks and losing..". If everyone knew it was a robbery, why would they at all think Wayne would have done that and it wasn't an act of the robbers?
    They didn't thik it was a robbery. The hijack of the place was just to get control of the computers to do the trades. millions if not billions of those trades go out on a daily basis so it would have been reallly hard to just prove it was all ed up.

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    So then the pit in this version was not the same that is referenced in the comics. Also, did no one else notice that lime green lake outside the prison?
    Yeah, I saw that. I thought it might be a nod to the comics, but saw no reason to consider it the actual Lazarus Pits. Could also just have been a lake that's in Jodhpur that looked green because of the lighting.

    I did see Bane freak out when his mask was messed up, but if it's not for Venom then I have no idea what it's function was and why he needed it so bad? They mentioned it was for the "pain" but that was it and it's still unclear to me what exactly the purpose and function was.
    Don't think it's really important/necessary to know much more about it than that. He got the kicked out of him in prison, the "doctor" didn't have the ability to fix what was wrong with him, the mask administers a painkiller without which he's in agony. You can't have Bane without the mask, but you can't have Venom in Nolan's universe, so this was a means to an end.

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    Huh? The stock market heist was one of the first things that happened, no? It is what bankrupted Bruce Wayne and led to him giving the girl the power to be the CEO (Raz's daughter). That all happened before things went nuts.
    There was maybe a day between Wayne actually finding out that he lost all his money and him being captured by Bane.

    You might be right that they could have handled that part better, but there wasn't much time for anything to be done.

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    There are definitely places you have to suspend disbelief - Wayne healing, Bane controlling Gotham so easily, etc etc, but I had no problem with the stock market .

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    , it was stupid of me to ask that question which led me to anticipate a reply, which made me skim through some posts.

    I'm just gonna watch the movie and answer my own question afterward.

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    Really I had more of a problem with the magic knee brace.

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    Bane was ed up by the other prisoners after helping Talia escape. Remember the part that showed his face wrapped in bloody wraps? The mask administered anesthesia.



    The Lazarus Pits could revive dead people, but they also made them slightly crazier each time they were used. Ra's Al Ghul in the comics used the pit for hundreds of years. The movie Ra's Al Ghul, instead, used decoys of himself to make it seem like he was immortal. Nobody was revived by any magical pits in the movie.
    Ok, that's what I thought, but I never read the comics so was trying to see the differences in how they used the terms. Also, that still doesn't explain the lake I saw in the background but maybe no one else saw it and I was imagining things.


    About the mask - I remember his faced being messed up and the doctor saying it was for "pain", and you can infer what the mask was for but never heard an actual explanation and was trying to piece why it was so critical for so long.

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    There are definitely places you have to suspend disbelief - Wayne healing, Bane controlling Gotham so easily, etc etc, but I had no problem with the stock market .
    It would have been cool if Fox gave him a robotic leg. I don't see how that piece of junk looking thing he put on could have made him that much better. And why didn't he just get one of those for convenience sake before?

    The movie tried a little too hard to make Batman a handicap. All they were missing was a pissing bag and handicap sticker.

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    BTW was anyone else amazed by how little the trailer actually gave away in the end? I was getting pissed with the trailers because I felt they were telling the story way too in depth and in the end they really didn't ruin for me at all. Well, with the exception of the football field scene. That would have been cool to just see.

    Also, I was surprised when it turned out Batman was alive. I fully expected him to die. Good twist.
    You thought he lived? I interpreted as more of a symbol of batman's immortality. Yes he died, but his idea of a protector of the people lives on. Anybody could be Batman. You hear he tells blake that when they're riding together. What Alfred saw was nothing more than a symbolic meaning that Bruce Wayne finally found peace in his life and has rejoined his parents. Nolan is a tricky bas when it comes to twists. I could be wrong and Batman did escape due to all those gadgets he has in his utility belt.

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    Ok, that's what I thought, but I never read the comics so was trying to see the differences in how they used the terms. Also, that still doesn't explain the lake I saw in the background but maybe no one else saw it and I was imagining things.


    About the mask - I remember his faced being messed up and the doctor saying it was for "pain", and you can infer what the mask was for but never heard an actual explanation and was trying to piece why it was so critical for so long.
    I must have missed them. They could have been a nod to the comics, like the "crocodiles in the sewer" line.

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    You thought he lived? I interpreted as more of a symbol of batman's immortality. Yes he died, but his idea of a protector of the people lives on. Anybody could be Batman. You hear he tells blake that when they're riding together. What Alfred saw was nothing more than a symbolic meaning that Bruce Wayne finally found peace in his life and has rejoined his parents. Nolan is a tricky bas when it comes to twists. I could be wrong and Batman did escape due to all those gadgets he has in his utility belt.
    key word: autopilot. also, in the "apple" scene Bruce promises Selena that he will take her there (where she can have a different iden y) if she helps him. It is clear he is alive at the end.

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    You thought he lived? I interpreted as more of a symbol of batman's immortality. Yes he died, but his idea of a protector of the people lives on. Anybody could be Batman. You hear he tells blake that when they're riding together. What Alfred saw was nothing more than a symbolic meaning that Bruce Wayne finally found peace in his life and has rejoined his parents. Nolan is a tricky bas when it comes to twists. I could be wrong and Batman did escape due to all those gadgets he has in his utility belt.
    It's not Inception. Bruce and Selina in the cafe aren't a spinning top.

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    You thought he lived? I interpreted as more of a symbol of batman's immortality. Yes he died, but his idea of a protector of the people lives on. Anybody could be Batman. You hear he tells blake that when they're riding together. What Alfred saw was nothing more than a symbolic meaning that Bruce Wayne finally found peace in his life and has rejoined his parents. Nolan is a tricky bas when it comes to twists. I could be wrong and Batman did escape due to all those gadgets he has in his utility belt.
    1.) Alfred saw Selina with Bruce. Why would he symbolically see her with him?
    2.) Bruce's mother's pearls were also missing. Selina was wearing them in the cafe.
    3.) The bat-signal was repaired.
    4.) One of the Wayne Enterprises engineers mentioned that Bruce Wayne fixed the auto-pilot for The Bat six months ago.

    There really isn't any question that Bruce survived.

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    It would have been cool if Fox gave him a robotic leg. I don't see how that piece of junk looking thing he put on could have made him that much better. And why didn't he just get one of those for convenience sake before?

    The movie tried a little too hard to make Batman a handicap. All they were missing was a pissing bag and handicap sticker.
    I get what they did with Bruce being beat up. That is how Bane was smart. He waited until Batman was worn out from fighting all the criminals and locking them up. He struck when Batman was the weakest.

    I think in the comics - Bane free's the Joker from Arkham, plunges the city into chaos and Batman gets worn out trying to round everone up and that is when Bane beats him down. But with Heath dying, you couldn't do that so this made sense.

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    Yeah, I saw that. I thought it might be a nod to the comics, but saw no reason to consider it the actual Lazarus Pits. Could also just have been a lake that's in Jodhpur that looked green because of the lighting.



    Don't think it's really important/necessary to know much more about it than that. He got the kicked out of him in prison, the "doctor" didn't have the ability to fix what was wrong with him, the mask administers a painkiller without which he's in agony. You can't have Bane without the mask, but you can't have Venom in Nolan's universe, so this was a means to an end.
    venom is a form of steroids. So steroids don't exist in Nolan's realistic world? So how do you explain Bane's superhuman strength? Painkillers do not give you super athletic ability and strength. It must have been venom and I think Nolan taught he didn't need to do any explaining because the whole world knows Bane's on the roids.

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    venom is a form of steroids. So steroids don't exist in Nolan's realistic world? So how do you explain Bane's superhuman strength? Painkillers do not give you super athletic ability and strength. It must have been venom and I think Nolan taught he didn't need to do any explaining because the whole world knows Bane's on the roids.
    Everything you post is wrong. Stop.

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    I get what they did with Bruce being beat up. That is how Bane was smart. He waited until Batman was worn out from fighting all the criminals and locking them up. He struck when Batman was the weakest.

    I think in the comics - Bane free's the Joker from Arkham, plunges the city into chaos and Batman gets worn out trying to round everone up and that is when Bane beats him down. But with Heath dying, you couldn't do that so this made sense.
    Yeah, but sometimes it felt like they went overboard with it and it felt forced.

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    I was hoping for the Batwheelchair.

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    I was hoping for the Batwheelchair.
    I loled

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    I am going to try and go watch it again tomorrow tbh.

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    Bane parts I thought were great.

    - The opening, although the loudness of his voice was distracting.
    - The stock market scene. Paraphrasing:
    "There is nothing for you to steal."
    "Really? Then why are you here?"
    - Bane handing one of his henchmen a tracer, telling him to follow Gordon, then shooting him. That part was funny and awesome at the same time.
    - The scene where he killed Daggett. Nolan definitely did a good job making Bane physically imposing in this scene. Why Daggett trusted him is beyond me. This exchange was good:
    "I'm the one in control."
    "Do you feel in control?"
    - The first Batman-Bane fight. Batman had no idea what he was in for when they threw down.
    - The scene on the football field. The part where he gets Pavel to identify himself for the audience then kills him, was good.
    - The speech he made in front of Blackgate. Tom Hardy was damn impressive because he was able to show so much emotion with most of his face covered up.
    - Bane freaking out after Batman messes up his mask.

    As I said before, and at the risk of sounding like lefty, the supervillains in Nolan's movies outclass almost all the others. Nobody else takes the effort to actually make their supervillains intimidating or as sympathetic as Nolan does.

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    - The speech he made in front of Blackgate. Tom Hardy was damn impressive because he was able to show so much emotion with most of his face covered up.
    There was more than a little Charlie Bronson in that speech.

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