Worst religion

[LnGrrrR]

It absolutely is a religion. Atheists have, as an article of faith, there is no God.

Do you have, as an article of faith, a belief that there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster? Are you part of the anti-FSM religion?

Do you have, as an article of faith, a belief that there are no aliens? Are you a member of the non-Alienist religion?

Do you have, as an article of faith, a belief that there are no ghosts? Are you a member of the No-Ghostism religion?

[LnGrrrR]

you're combining atheism and agnosticism for one thing. It's one or the other not both. You don't need doctrine for religion. Set of beliefs is the belief there is no God

Actually you're totally wrong. One could say you're agnostic about what agnosticism is.

[Trainwreck2100]

Not an infinite number of books. Religions evolve and branch out, sure, but they usually started at a single source and carry enough commonalities that you can distinguish them from other religions.

True but there are infinitesimal ways christians can live their lives. The only thing they share is a belief in Jesus. You said atheists shouldn't be lumped together because they have the ability to live infinite possibilities(my assumption feel free to correct me) and are therefore not a religion. Christians can live infinite lives and yet they are a religion.

[Trainwreck2100]

Actually you're totally wrong. One could say you're agnostic about what agnosticism is.

he said that atheist can believe there is a god and he separated himself from this world Athiesm is the belief in no supreme being.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Conclusions come from something, you can't just conclude out of thin air

There are multiple potentially mutually exclusive definitions of the word 'belief.'

Asserting your definition for someone else is fun I guess. As is building strawmen of phrasing of negation.

Let's take a look at belief though:

be·lief   [bih-leef]

noun
1. something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.
2. confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.
3. confidence; faith; trust: a child's belief in his parents.
4. a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief.

You do not get to choose which one someone else is using just like you do not get to choose someone's phrasing.

[Yonivore]

Do you have, as an article of faith, a belief that there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster? Are you part of the anti-FSM religion?

No & No.

Do you have, as an article of faith, a belief that there are no aliens? Are you a member of the non-Alienist religion?

No & No.

Do you have, as an article of faith, a belief that there are no ghosts? Are you a member of the No-Ghostism religion?

No & No.

[LnGrrrR]

True but there are infinitesimal ways christians can live their lives. The only thing they share is a belief in Jesus. You said atheists shouldn't be lumped together because they have the ability to live infinite possibilities(my assumption feel free to correct me) and are therefore not a religion. Christians can live infinite lives and yet they are a religion.

Really? So there are people who believe in Jesus who think, say, it's ok to kill people, that church is stupid, that aliens exist, and that humans were created by abiogenesis instead of God?

Oh, no, wait. People who believe in Jesus tend to believe in the Bible, God, and various other tenets of Christianity. What a surprise.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

he said that atheist can believe there is a god and he separated himself from this world Athiesm is the belief in no supreme being.

huh? seriously you are failing really hard at speaking for me. this is boring.

[LnGrrrR]

No & No.

But you don't know for sure he doesn't exist; you merely have a belief that he doesn't. Unless you'd like to prove otherwise?

Or are you saying you don't have a belief that he doesn't exist; therefore, you DO have a belief that he DOES exist. Is that it? Please elaborate.

No & No.

But you don't know for sure they don't exist; you merely have a belief that they don't. Unless you'd like to prove otherwise?

Or are you saying you don't have a belief that they don't exist; therefore, you DO have a belief that they DO exist. Is that it? Please elaborate.

No & No.

But you don't know for sure they don't exist; you merely have a belief that they don't. Unless you'd like to prove otherwise?

Or are you saying you don't have a belief that they don't exist; therefore, you DO have a belief that they DO exist. Is that it? Please elaborate.

[Yonivore]

Really? So there are people who believe in Jesus who think, say, it's ok to kill people, that church is stupid, that aliens exist, and that humans were created by abiogenesis instead of God?

Oh, no, wait. People who believe in Jesus tend to believe in the Bible, God, and various other tenets of Christianity. What a surprise.

Actually, there are people who believe Christianity and the creation story of the Bible aren't inconsistent with any reasonable scientific theory, including evolution.

[LnGrrrR]

Actually, there are people who believe Christianity and the creation story of the Bible aren't inconsistent with any reasonable scientific theory, including evolution.

So do you know of anyone who believes in Jesus, but don't follow any other tenets of Christianity?

[Trainwreck2100]

huh? seriously you are failing really hard at speaking for me. this is boring.

my apologies

I suppose under some definitions you could say that however if it is a 'religion' then it is one without doctrine, dogma, rituals, etc.

The only theoretical criteria is disbelief in God. Many people termed atheists do not deny that there may be a God. Other's believe that God does not manifest itself as the dogma of any known religion. Others say flat out that there isn't.

So exactly is atheism doctrine? set of beliefs etc?

Is empiricism or existentialism a religion as well?

then they aren't atheists

[Spurminator]

True but there are infinitesimal ways christians can live their lives. The only thing they share is a belief in Jesus. You said atheists shouldn't be lumped together because they have the ability to live infinite possibilities(my assumption feel free to correct me) and are therefore not a religion. Christians can live infinite lives and yet they are a religion.

Christians believe that God created the universe and passed Laws down to Moses, spoke to prophets and put his Son on the earth to die so that salvation could come for everyone and not just the Jews, who were His chosen people before Christ. They believe this because of a set of books written by prophets, kings and apostles, which were collected together almost 2000 years ago to form what we call the Bible. Christianity has branched out into many denominations due to evolutions of beliefs and disagreements on things like worship, but it has a definite history and source.

What is the source of the Atheist "religion"? Who came up with it, where is it written, and when/how did other Atheist sects/denominations branch from the original doctrine?

[Yonivore]

But you don't know for sure he doesn't exist; you merely have a belief that he doesn't. Unless you'd like to prove otherwise?

Or are you saying you don't have a belief that he doesn't exist; therefore, you DO have a belief that he DOES exist. Is that it? Please elaborate.

I don't have a belief, one way or the other.

But you don't know for sure they don't exist; you merely have a belief that they don't. Unless you'd like to prove otherwise?

Or are you saying you don't have a belief that they don't exist; therefore, you DO have a belief that they DO exist. Is that it? Please elaborate.

I actually think aliens are possible. It's a vast universe. But, no, I don't have a belief, one way or the other.

But you don't know for sure they don't exist; you merely have a belief that they don't. Unless you'd like to prove otherwise?

Or are you saying you don't have a belief that they don't exist; therefore, you DO have a belief that they DO exist. Is that it? Please elaborate.

Again, I don't have a belief, one way or the other. I admit to being puzzle about what happens to our souls after we die.

[Juggity]

Atheism is the worst religion because, it's a faith built on destroying all other faiths. Wait, that's radical Islam, as well. Okay, both of them.

When was the last time an atheist said this:

[Trainwreck2100]

Really? [B]So there are people who believe in Jesus who think, say, it's ok to kill people, that church is stupid, that aliens exist, and that humans were created by abiogenesis instead of God?

Oh, no, wait. People who believe in Jesus tend to believe in the Bible, God, and various other tenets of Christianity. What a surprise.

1)people have used Jesus's name to kill for millenia
2)Quakers don't go to church for example
3)Can't comment on the aliens thing
4) many christians believe that evolution is an instrument of God

[Yonivore]

So do you know of anyone who believes in Jesus, but don't follow any other tenets of Christianity?

Yes. Messianic Jews believe in Jesus yet, continue to follow their Jewish faith. I'm not that familiar with their rationale so, don't ask me to explain. And, I wouldn't say they don't follow "any other tenets of Christianity" as there is much commonality between Christianity and Judaism...as well as other faiths.

[Trainwreck2100]

Christians believe that God created the universe and passed Laws down to Moses, spoke to prophets and put his Son on the earth to die so that salvation could come for everyone and not just the Jews, who were His chosen people before Christ. They believe this because of a set of books written by prophets, kings and apostles, which were collected together almost 2000 years ago to form what we call the Bible. Christianity has branched out into many denominations due to evolutions of beliefs and disagreements on things like worship, but it has a definite history and source.

What is the source of the Atheist "religion"? Who came up with it, where is it written, and when/how did other Atheist sects/denominations branch from the original doctrine?

Depends on why they believe there is no God

[Yonivore]

When was the last time an atheist said this:

Why would an atheist say that? I don't even know why a Christian would say that.

[Spurminator]

Depends on why they believe there is no God

Because they have not chosen a god (or other supernatural idea) to believe in. Therefore they have not chosen a religion.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

my apologies




then they aren't atheists

Um no, a rationalist will not believe in god without proof. It's called a viewpoint. For example: I do not believe in God but at the same time I do not say that I cannot be wrong or that some logical or empirical proof of god could exist. In the absence of that I do not believe. It's also referred to as an open mind.

Definition of AGNOSTIC
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

There is a difference between ambivalence about the existence of god, refusing to take a standpoint, and someone that will not believe without proof.

Equating a belief in the denial of a belief with a belief of something is fun though.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

[Trainwreck2100]

Um no, a rationalist will not believe in god without proof. It's called a viewpoint. For example: I do not believe in God but at the same time I do not say that I cannot be wrong or that some logical or empirical proof of god could exist. In the absence of that I do not believe. It's also referred to as an open mind.

Definition of AGNOSTIC
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

There is a difference between ambivalence about the existence of god, refusing to take a standpoint, and someone that will not believe without proof.

Equating a belief in the denial of a belief with a belief of something is fun though.

Atheist a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings. no room for mays there

[Trainwreck2100]

Because they have not chosen a god (or other supernatural idea) to believe in. Therefore they have not chosen a religion.

Atheist chose not to believe in any supreme being that is atheism, but what do they believe in?

[ALVAREZ6]

As much as I hate to agree with yoni it is absolutely a religion.

I guess it depends on which types of atheists we're talking about. Below, I have posted some of more applicable definitions from dictionary.com or merriam-webster.

Religion:

-a personal set or ins utionalized system of religious at udes, beliefs, and practices

-a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects

-a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs

It's true atheism is a set of beliefs..well, it's really just one thought, it all starts and ends with "there is no god".

But in my experiences, most atheists I know are not in some sect or group. There's no moral code, no ins ution, and with most that I know, they don't proactively try to influence others, or change others' beliefs. So sure, you can consider atheism a very simple religion with one idea.