So it's all over....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Arkansas and OK are one and the same. Two biggest meth users in the country.

[Wild Cobra]

Oh, Oregon has much better buds, so I guess there's that, too

I may be wrong, but I think Oregon probably has the best bud!

[symple19]

The thing that always amuses me the most about this argument is that California is the third largest state in the country and is incredibly diverse in terms of its geography, population density, and culture. It's a massive state, which not even I fully realized/appreciated until I moved away a couple years ago. In the time it would take me to drive from San Diego to Humboldt County, going just along the coast, I could go on a road trip here that would take me through nine or ten states. And in that drive you'd hit everything from arid desert, to rough mountains, to coastal redwoods; from congested urban cities to empty rural farmland. So whatever complaint (or praise, for that matter) a person may have about a particular city or region in California, it doesn't apply to the whole state. While a number of the stereotypes may be true of a particular city or region, you can drive two hours in any direction and I guarantee those stereotypes will no longer be true.

It's something I'd expect more Texans to understand, frankly, considering how drastically that state also changes from border to border.

California, geographically, is really without peer. Culturally, I think a majority of the states on the periphery of this country can lay claim to sizable differences within their own borders.

[symple19]

I may be wrong, but I think Oregon probably has the best bud!

Emerald triangle > Oregon (only comparing outdoor)

But no question the dank from Oregon is very, very good.

[CuckingFunt]

California, geographically, is really without peer. Culturally, I think a majority of the states on the periphery of this country can lay claim to sizable differences within their own borders.

Admittedly that might have been a poor word choice on my part for the point I was trying to make, but I can't necessarily think of a better way to put it. Was mostly thinking in terms of the fact that the stereotypical San Franciscan or Los Angelino isn't found throughout the entire state. Communities and at udes vary tremendously depending where in California you are.

Which, incidentally, I didn't mean to suggest was unique to California. Just further evidence the "California is ______" argument is a dumb one.

[symple19]

Arkansas and OK are one and the same. Two biggest meth users in the country.

Pretty much. I would literally drive down to Dallas from Lawton, Ok so I could take I-20 back to see my Dad in Bama instead of taking the shorter I-40 route. This after getting stuck in Arky, in my car, for 27 (usually takes about 12 from OK to AL) straight hours because they were too stupid to salt/sand the interstate during the 04' ice storm. I literally fell asleep in my car (no hotels or shelters were open/had room) with it in park on the interstate and woke up to a state trooper tapping on my window with a flashlight. There were national guard driving up and down the median passing out MRE's to people who were hungry. The storm had been hyped for a week beforehand and they were still unprepared. When I finally got to Memphis there was literally no snow/ice on the roads and it was clear sailing the rest of the way.

Unsurprisingly, Huckabee was the governor at the time

I vowed to never go back. So far, so good

[symple19]

Admittedly that might have been a poor word choice on my part for the point I was trying to make, but I can't necessarily think of a better way to put it. Was mostly thinking in terms of the fact that the stereotypical San Franciscan or Los Angelino isn't found throughout the entire state. Communities and at udes vary tremendously depending where in California you are.

Which, incidentally, I didn't mean to suggest was unique to California. Just further evidence the "California is ______" argument is a dumb one.

I got your point. It's difficult to lump most states into one characterization (for comparison purposes). Just doing it here to piss off the Oregonian

[Wild Cobra]

I got your point. It's difficult to lump most states into one characterization (for comparison purposes). Just doing it here to piss off the Oregonian

OK, that's better. For a moment, I thought you were daft.

[symple19]

OK, that's better. For a moment, I thought you were daft.

That's rich coming from you

[Avante]

How in the can ya beat SF and San Diego, yes not too fond of LA. Look at all those big cities and small towns. What state has so many large cities? The diversity. SOCal, NORCAL, Central Valley is like three different states. Then there's that region above SF. How long is that coast line, how high are those mountains? Ya want the desert we have the Mojave. What state has more schools to pick from? How many pro sports teams? Seven division I football teams. Hollywood~!

If only one state survived, Cali would be the one we'd want to be stuck in.

Obviously I'm tongue and cheeking this, can't believe anyone would get all wrapped up in things like electricity. My...obvious...point was here in Cali we do have more choices in everything. Yes we really do, from education to entertainment to the different ways of life. We do have it all.

[Wild Cobra]

How in the can ya beat SF and San Diego, yes not too fond of LA. Look at all those big cities and small towns. What state has so many large cities? The diversity. SOCal, NORCAL, Central Valley is like three different states. Then there's that region above SF. How long is that coast line, how high are those mountains? Ya want the desert we have the Mojave. What state has more schools to pick from? How many pro sports teams? Seven division I football teams. Hollywood~!

If only one state survived, Cali would be the one we'd want to be stuck in.

Obviously I'm tongue and cheeking this, can't believe anyone would get all wrapped up in things like electricity. My...obvious...point was here in Cali we do have more choices in everything. Yes we really do, from education to entertainment to the different ways of life. We do have it all.

Electricity isn't important to support all those good things you talk about?

OK...

[Avante]

Electricity isn't important to support all those good things you talk about?

OK...

I thought my little picture of Cali all alone in the middle of the ocean would give it away.

[Wild Cobra]

I thought my little picture of Cali all alone in the middle of the ocean would give it away.

Do you think all those good things you rave about will remain if there is almost no electricity?

[Avante]

Do you think all those good things you rave about will remain if there is almost no electricity?

Let's say that this really did happen and all we had left was California. Obviously we'd see all kinds of things done to keep us alive. There would be all kinds of restictions put in place, new laws about everything. The powers that be would be well aware of the situation and what needs to be done to make it work. Yes the electricity situation would be taken into consideration and what could be done would be done. Obviouisly nothing would be like it was. We don't know how things would go.

Do you really think I think we'd have pro sports and still be making movies, come on man. It would be all about trying to survive.

[Wild Cobra]

Let's say that this really did happen and all we had left was California. Obviously we'd see all kinds of things done to keep us alive. There would be all kinds of restictions put in place, new laws about everything. The powers that be would be well aware of the situation and what needs to be done to make it work. Yes the electricity situation would be taken into consideration and what could be done would be done. Obviouisly nothing would be like it was. We don't know how things would go.

Do you really think I think we'd have pro sports and still be making movies, come on man. It would be all about trying to survive.

Oregon wouldn't have that problem. The only thing we would have to worry about is building an electric car factory, since we have to import fuel. We are otherwise self sufficient.

[Avante]

Oregon wouldn't have that problem. The only thing we would have to worry about is building an electric car factory, since we have to import fuel. We are otherwise self sufficient.

No way in I'd want to live in Oregon.

[Wild Cobra]

No way in I'd want to live in Oregon.

LOL...

What's bad about Oregon besides having to become a Duck?

[Avante]

LOL...

What's bad about Oregon besides having to become a Duck?

There I sit on those hard Ratcliff Stadium bleachers, the next event on the track the JC 4x1 relay.

lane

1.Merritt
2.Contra Costa
3.SFCC
4.LBCC
5.Laney
6.Sac City
7.Fresno City
8.Hartnell

That right after the intercollegiate 4x1..

lane

1.Fresno State
2.San Jose State
3.UCLA
4.Cal
5.San Diego State
6.USC
7.Stanford
8.CPSLO

Try doing that in Oregon.

[Wild Cobra]

There I sit on those hard Ratcliff Stadium bleachers, the next event on the track the JC 4x1 relay.

lane

1.Merritt
2.Contra Costa
3.SFCC
4.LBCC
5.Laney
6.Sac City
7.Fresno City
8.Hartnell

That right after the intercollegiate 4x1..

lane

1.Fresno State
2.San Jose State
3.UCLA
4.Cal
5.San Diego State
6.USC
7.Stanford
8.CPSLO

Try doing that in Oregon.

So we have less colleges. Big deal. Grow up, are are you frozen in the early post pimple days? We have Oregon State University, University of Oregon, Lewis and Clark, Eastern Oregon College, Oregon Health Sciences University (OHSU), Portland State university, Southern Oregon university, Western Oregon university, Oregon ins ute of technology, and University of Phoenix (Oregon Campus). Those are just the high level colleges. we have several more.

OHSU is renowned world wide.

We have NIKE and Intel Development, Flir, Tektronix, and Novellus, just to speak of a few big important corporate places.

Back to electricity. Just the three large Oregon hydroelectric dams produce a total of 5,454 Megawatts of electrical power. Almost enough to power five time traveling Deloreans at the same time.

Let's see you do that in California!

[Avante]

So we have less colleges. Big deal. Grow up, are are you frozen in the early post pimple days? We have Oregon State University, University of Oregon, Lewis and Clark, Eastern Oregon College, Oregon Health Sciences University (OHSU), Portland State university, Southern Oregon university, Western Oregon university, Oregon ins ute of technology, and University of Phoenix (Oregon Campus). Those are just the high level colleges. we have several more.

OHSU is renowned world wide.

We have NIKE and Intel Development, Flir, Tektronix, and Novellus, just to speak of a few big important corporate places.

Back to electricity. Just the three large Oregon hydroelectric dams produce a total of 5,454 Megawatts of electrical power. Almost enough to power five time traveling Deloreans at the same time.

Let's see you do that in California!

Dude, we have over 200 colleges, a dozen large cities. How many pro teams? Ever been to Monterey, Santa Cruz? Yep, you got some electricity, hahahaha!!!!!! Who cares?

Once again, we have tons of choices, Oregon very few.

[Wild Cobra]

Again, what good do those tons of choices do with no power?

California, if by itself and no subsidies from other states, would revert to a Mad Max type society.

[Avante]

Again, what good do those tons of choices do with no power?

California, if by itself and no subsidies from other states, would revert to a Mad Max type society.

Ok forget the fantasy.

Now give me one good reason to leave Cali for Oregon.

[Wild Cobra]

Ok forget the fantasy.

Now give me one good reason to leave Cali for Oregon.

I can give you several, but please don't! Therefore I will not give you reasons.

Now I have been looking at energy for California. It looks like California can generate more of it's power than I thought. It looks like it is self sufficient in about 20% of its electrical needs, where Oregon has probably has about 2,000% capacity. That leaves 1,900% of our current capacity to filter to electric car needs. Does California have enough oil production to keep cars running? Much the California natural gas production is used for that electrical generation. What isn't used for electricity, is probably for home water heaters, heating, etc. Since electricity is so cheap in Oregon, most homes are heated with electricity.
If you think I'm joking about us supplying Los Angelas with 50% of it's peak electrical needs, read here:

wiki: Pacific DC Intertie

The Pacific DC Intertie (also called Path 65) is an electric power transmission line that transmits electricity from the Pacific Northwest to the Los Angeles area using high voltage direct current (HVDC). The line capacity is 3,100 megawatts, which is enough to serve two to three million Los Angeles households and is 48.7% of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP) electrical system's peak capacity.

That line is only to Los Angeles (Sylmar). The pacific Northwest as a whole, sends about 20 gigawatts to California. The sending station from The Dalles Oregon (Celilo) is just less than a miles away from The Dalles Dam.

[ChumpDumper]

Let's say that this really did happen and all we had left was California. Obviously we'd see all kinds of things done to keep us alive. There would be all kinds of restictions put in place, new laws about everything. The powers that be would be well aware of the situation and what needs to be done to make it work. Yes the electricity situation would be taken into consideration and what could be done would be done. Obviouisly nothing would be like it was. We don't know how things would go.

Do you really think I think we'd have pro sports and still be making movies, come on man. It would be all about trying to survive.

So no college track relays.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Unsurprisingly, Huckabee was the governor at the time

Well then it makes sense, he prolly thought Jeebus would melt the ice if the highway got dangerous.