Not sold on danny green

[Mel_13]

In all honesty you guys should be grateful for Green. He could have probably signed somewhere else for more but chose to be underpaid since the Spurs gave him a chance.

There's absolutely no evidence to support that assertion.

[therealtruth]

There's absolutely no evidence to support that assertion.

You don't think some other team would have overpaid for Green if he didn't sign with the Spurs? He even said on his Twitter feed that he could have got more if he really wanted.

[Mel_13]

You don't think some other team would have overpaid for Green if he didn't sign with the Spurs? He even said on his Twitter feed that he could have got more if he really wanted.

He was on the market and talked to some other teams. I don't recall any report that any team offered Green a contract, let alone that there was a team prepared to pay him substantially more than the Spurs. I would be interested in reading that tweet if you would provide a link.

[Cry Havoc]

You don't think some other team would have overpaid for Green if he didn't sign with the Spurs? He even said on his Twitter feed that he could have got more if he really wanted.

Wow. Actually, you should just stop posting entirely. 3300 posts is not enough to stop you from throwing out flat out lies for your takes.

[Paranoid Pop]

Missed another dunk, might be the worst dunker I've ever seen tbh for someone who tries that many... The defensive game plan for him is so simple its scary. Bonnerish.

[Strategic]

A good role player my ass! I don't remember Pop using "filler" players for role players on the starting five during the Spurs championship teams. It's strange that all the experienced Philosophical posters on ST are backing Green, just as they did Bonner. I remember Bowen and Horry, does anyone else? They may be heroes on the street but they were animals on the court. Green cannot guard the small forwards worth a , he can't guard the likes of Durant or Kobe(George Hill says o) and he can't play point guard(see last parenthesis). "Green didn't score much, but we don't need him to. He can't guard anyone really good, but that's ok. We were able to rest him with the 35 year olds, so he should be ready next time. They're only paying him 3 mil., so what do you expect"

[Cry Havoc]

A good role player my ass! I don't remember Pop using "filler" players for role players on the starting five during the Spurs championship teams. It's strange that all the experienced Philosophical posters on ST are backing Green, just as they did Bonner. I remember Bowen and Horry, does anyone else? They may be heroes on the street but they were animals on the court. Green cannot guard the small forwards worth a , he can't guard the likes of Durant or Kobe(George Hill says o) and he can't play point guard(see last parenthesis). "Green didn't score much, but we don't need him to. He can't guard anyone really good, but that's ok. We were able to rest him with the 35 year olds, so he should be ready next time. They're only paying him 3 mil., so what do you expect"

Avery Johnson? Nazr Mohammed? Oberto? Malik Rose? Fransisco Elson?

[Cry Havoc]

Michael Finley? Brent Barry?

[Strategic]

Avery Johnson? Nazr Mohammed? Oberto? Malik Rose? Fransisco Elson?

It looks as if you're placing Green in the same catagory with these players?

[Cry Havoc]

It looks as if you're placing Green in the same catagory with these players?

Are you saying that Avery, Mohammed, Oberto, etc., are not role players? Are they stars, then? Guys who could take over games on their own? Because Green has this year.

[Strategic]

Are you saying that Avery, Mohammed, Oberto, etc., are not role players? Are they stars, then? Guys who could take over games on their own? Because Green has this year.

It sounds like you would be happy with a team full of Greens. Maybe you're right. It's kind of opposite of the Spurs' past successes when they started with young stars and added experienced vets, isn't it? I'm not saying Green is really that young though, since he will be 26 this summer. He should be reaching the peak of his game. Role players without any flexibility may be coming back in style. Ten more years of what were seeing from him right now might just do the trick. You mention Greens' ability to take over games. The role players that I mentioned, Horry and Bowen do bring back memories of game changing contributions, and in the playoffs. By the time Duncan, Ginobili and Parker were 25, they had all led their team to two NBA les. I consider the role players that you listed as ones that provided a big contribution to those NBA les, I'm not yet willing as you to put Green in either of those list, but I guess that's why lists' have blank room at the end, so that more names can be added.

[Cry Havoc]

It sounds like you would be happy with a team full of Greens. Maybe you're right. It's kind of opposite of the Spurs' past successes when they started with young stars and added experienced vets, isn't it? I'm not saying Green is really that young though, since he will be 26 this summer. He should be reaching the peak of his game. Role players without any flexibility may be coming back in style. Ten more years of what were seeing from him right now might just do the trick. You mention Greens' ability to take over games. The role players that I mentioned, Horry and Bowen do bring back memories of game changing contributions, and in the playoffs. By the time Duncan, Ginobili and Parker were 25, they had all led their team to two NBA les. I consider the role players that you listed as ones that provided a big contribution to those NBA les, I'm not yet willing as you to put Green in either of those list, but I guess that's why lists' have blank room at the end, so that more names can be added.

What? Of course not. That's not what I said. However, are there any teams aside from the Lakers that have NO role players in their starting 5? Miami does, OKC does, Memphis does, it's nearly impossible *not* to have role players.

I would be THRILLED if every wing we brought off the bench could play Green's defense, even if it's a bit inconsistent, and bomb threes at over a 40% mark. Do you realize how rare that is? Ray Allen made a career out of JUST shooting 3s at that clip and playing mostly average to ty defense. If Green had 3 good series last year instead of just 2, we're probably playing the Heat in the finals.

I think this year he's going to be a lot more settled in the playoffs. It takes some time, but one bad playoff series and people want to sell on a $3mil player who's one of the best sharpshooters in the league and plays well above average defense.

[Strategic]

What? Of course not. That's not what I said. However, are there any teams aside from the Lakers that have NO role players in their starting 5? Miami does, OKC does, Memphis does, it's nearly impossible *not* to have role players.

I would be THRILLED if every wing we brought off the bench could play Green's defense, even if it's a bit inconsistent, and bomb threes at over a 40% mark. Do you realize how rare that is? Ray Allen made a career out of JUST shooting 3s at that clip and playing mostly average to ty defense. If Green had 3 good series last year instead of just 2, we're probably playing the Heat in the finals.

I think this year he's going to be a lot more settled in the playoffs. It takes some time, but one bad playoff series and people want to sell on a $3mil player who's one of the best sharpshooters in the league and plays well above average defense.

Wow brother it sounds like you're comparing Green with Ray Allen.
Sefolosha, Durant, Westbrook, Parker, Green, Leonard, Chalmers, Wade, James,Kidd, Shumpert, Anthony, Paul, Green, Butler. This is a list of back court starters for the tip five(perhaps) teams in the league this year, if you can count three positions as back court. I'd be interested to hear where you thought Green fits in this list. I hate the argument that he comes cheap so he is a keeper, although it's used often on ST. FYI, I don't hold Green at all responsible for last years loss to OKC. I'm watching him play tonight and I don't see all the greatness that you speak of.

[SpursRock20]

Once the playoffs begin, this is how you play him.... If he's hitting his shots (~ 40% clip) then play him around 25 minutes per game. If he misses three to four in a row, sit him early and play Jack and Manu extended minutes.

[Chinook]

Once the playoffs begin, this is how you play him.... If he's hitting his shots (~ 40% clip) then play him around 25 minutes per game. If he misses three to four in a row, sit him early and play Jack and Manu extended minutes.

Last year, I'd agree with you. This year, though, he's been much better at playing good defense even when he shot's not falling. He's had games like the Wolves game where he doesn't score but pretty much shuts down everyone he guards.

I think you keep in him if he's still playing good defense and rebounding well and if the team is scoring well enough without him.

[SpursRock20]

Last year, I'd agree with you. This year, though, he's been much better at playing good defense even when he shot's not falling. He's had games like the Wolves game where he doesn't score but pretty much shuts down everyone he guards.

I think you keep in him if he's still playing good defense and rebounding well and if the team is scoring well enough without him.

I see where you are coming from but teams like Minnesota do not play in the playoffs nor have an offensive threat at the SG spot. Bottom line is that he can not have an off series against the Clippers or Thunder. Maybe in the first round if he plays good defense while shooting poorly, but in the second and third rounds, it's not a risk the Spurs should be willing to take. Speaking of, we might have to go through BOTH the Thunder and the Clippers this post season. That would be nearly impossible to do IMO that's why the one seed is even more important for the Spurs than in years past.

[dbestpro]

i understand why people would like to see a better starting SG on the Spurs. But, just look around the league and the starting SG position may be the weakest that I have ever seen going back to the early 70s.

[Paranoid Pop]

i understand why people would like to see a better starting SG on the Spurs. But, just look around the league and the starting SG position may be the weakest that I have ever seen going back to the early 70s.

Well trying coming up with other SG who can't dunk, put the ball on the floor or pass the ball...

[Cry Havoc]

Wow brother it sounds like you're comparing Green with Ray Allen.

Not yet, but he's a career 40% 3 point shooter. Do you know Allen for anything else besides his 3 ball? Green is already better on defense, so yes, I think the comparison, however early, deserves some merit. Do you know how rare it is to find someone who hits 3s at over 40% and plays good defense?

Sefolosha, Durant, Westbrook, Parker, Green, Leonard, Chalmers, Wade, James,Kidd, Shumpert, Anthony, Paul, Green, Butler. This is a list of back court starters for the tip five(perhaps) teams in the league this year, if you can count three positions as back court. I'd be interested to hear where you thought Green fits in this list. I hate the argument that he comes cheap so he is a keeper, although it's used often on ST. FYI, I don't hold Green at all responsible for last years loss to OKC. I'm watching him play tonight and I don't see all the greatness that you speak of.

But Green isn't our best SG. That's Manu. Do you want to compare Green's salary to these guys above? Because I guarantee you that if the Spurs had Manu's salary to spend on a 2 guard, they could go out and get someone pretty damn productive. In the meantime, Green is more than serviceable as a pseudo-starter who can mature and fit into the system better. Unless you think there's a better guard out there for ANY amount of money right now?

It just blows my mind that people think top tier SGs are just falling out of the sky. If you're going to about Green's production/talent, fine, but what other options do we have at this point?

[Paranoid Pop]

Not yet, but he's a career 40% 3 point shooter. Do you know Allen for anything else besides his 3 ball? Green is already better on defense, so yes, I think the comparison, however early, deserves some merit. Do you know how rare it is to find someone who hits 3s at over 40% and plays good defense?



But Green isn't our best SG. That's Manu. Do you want to compare Green's salary to these guys above? Because I guarantee you that if the Spurs had Manu's salary to spend on a 2 guard, they could go out and get someone pretty damn productive. In the meantime, Green is more than serviceable as a pseudo-starter who can mature and fit into the system better. Unless you think there's a better guard out there for ANY amount of money right now?

It just blows my mind that people think top tier SGs are just falling out of the sky. If you're going to about Green's production/talent, fine, but what other options do we have at this point?

Thing is even a James Anderson can do so much more with the ball, he had great passing instincts and the ability to drive...

[Paranoid Pop]

I'd argue that De Colo is also a better SG than Green.

[Paranoid Pop]

It's crazy how the not so mad scientist tried 3 different starting Pf but couldn't be happier with Danny Green. Blows my mind.

[SpursRock20]

Players shoot at a much better clip from 3 thanks to the Spurs system. All of his shots are basically open from the wing or corner. Allen on the other hand can create his own 3 point shot and has a much quicker release. Allen is a much better shooter and more clutch than Green. Can't really compare the two.

[Strategic]

It just blows my mind that people think top tier SGs are just falling out of the sky. If you're going to about Green's production/talent, fine, but what other options do we have at this point?

Hey friend between Manu and Green the Spurs are paying 18.5 million for the shooting guard position this year. The spurs should have the best damn 2 guard in the league on the court all the time. Manu pulls his weight but Green is a system success. Manu can playmake. Heaven forbid if Green broke his leg tonight the team wouldn't miss a beat for the rest of the year. Your first sentence here says that we agree on Greens abilities, The second sentence,well, it's big men that there is a shortage of in the league and D league, not shooting guards.

[Cry Havoc]

A good role player my ass! I don't remember Pop using "filler" players for role players on the starting five during the Spurs championship teams. It's strange that all the experienced Philosophical posters on ST are backing Green, just as they did Bonner. I remember Bowen and Horry, does anyone else? They may be heroes on the street but they were animals on the court. Green cannot guard the small forwards worth a , he can't guard the likes of Durant or Kobe(George Hill says o) and he can't play point guard(see last parenthesis). "Green didn't score much, but we don't need him to. He can't guard anyone really good, but that's ok. We were able to rest him with the 35 year olds, so he should be ready next time. They're only paying him 3 mil., so what do you expect"

Wow brother it sounds like you're comparing Green with Ray Allen.
Sefolosha, Durant, Westbrook, Parker, Green, Leonard, Chalmers, Wade, James,Kidd, Shumpert, Anthony, Paul, Green, Butler. This is a list of back court starters for the tip five(perhaps) teams in the league this year, if you can count three positions as back court. I'd be interested to hear where you thought Green fits in this list. I hate the argument that he comes cheap so he is a keeper, although it's used often on ST. FYI, I don't hold Green at all responsible for last years loss to OKC. I'm watching him play tonight and I don't see all the greatness that you speak of.

Stop backpedaling.

First you say the Spurs champ teams haven't had any role players, now that I pointed out that it's not the case, you suddenly want to compare him to some of the best players in the NBA. Okay, chief. None of those teams have Duncan, either. It's stupid to think the Spurs are going to have Parker, Manu, AND another top tier guard and still be anywhere near the league soft cap in contract.

Hey friend between Manu and Green the Spurs are paying 18.5 million for the shooting guard position this year. The spurs should have the best damn 2 guard in the league on the court all the time. Manu pulls his weight but Green is a system success. Manu can playmake. Your first sentence here says that we agree on Greens abilities,

Ah, now it's Green's fault that Manu has a huge contract? Is he supposed to suddenly blossom into a top 5 SG in the league?

Heaven forbid if Green broke his leg tonight the team wouldn't miss a beat for the rest of the year.

.... I have no response to this kind of statement.

The spurs should have the best damn 2 guard in the league on the court all the time.

What. Just what?

The second sentence,well, it's big men that there is a shortage of in the league and D league, not shooting guards.

Alright, if the league is so full of guards, who do you propose we go after? Who are you going to sign from FA/waivers that's better than Green? Or are you suggesting trading Manu? Or finding a team to take Green, Bonner, Blair, etc. to give us a top 10 guard in the NBA?

At this point I'm puzzled as to what your annoyance with Green is, other than the fact that he's not James f-ing Harden. Would you care to clarify?