Can Duncan add this to his game?

[Spursdaone]

Another is the key word. I didn't say that was the reason alone.

[constantstate]

Another is the key word. I didn't say that was the reason alone.

what would be "another" reason kg couldnt lead his team out of the first round of the playoffs for so long?

if you're going to sit there and debate whether kg is a better player than duncan... remind yourself that kg started out as an extremely large and raw - small forward. kg didnt have much of a post game back then. like a boxer gaining weight and losing some speed, age has moved him up to power forward. duncan hasnt had to switch spots and is a classic traditional post player. (so it might not be fair)

[Spursdaone]

I would take the KG of the last 3 years over Duncan.

[constantstate]

I would take the KG of the last 3 years over Duncan.

you'd be missing out on 2 championships.

[Spursdaone]

I didn't say I wanted the Minnesota team over the spurs team.

[ambchang]

Shaq at is prime was unstoppable and no way would Duncan be considered better. Olajuwon in his prime was the 2nd best center and I would take him also over Duncan. I am not back peddling and it makes sense so take that.

You specifically rated Shaq over Garnett and Duncan, then went on and say Garnett is #1 and Duncan #2. I have no problem people rating Shaq at his prime over Duncan at his prime, you can make arguments both ways. Olajuwon at his prime destroyed Shaq at his prime in the finals, so how would he be #2? Who was #1 back then?

[Spursdaone]

Shaq hit his prime in the year 2000. Olajuwon in 1995. The stats were very similar that year and Olajuwon dominated Robinson not Shaq.

[constantstate]

I didn't say I wanted the Minnesota team over the spurs team.

i think duncan could have led them to the WCF more than a few times... beyond that, who knows. they would have picked people that fit around duncan. its easier to do that than it is to put people around kg. with kg, you never know what you're getting -- the me first kg, or the kg that wants to share the ball.

with tim duncan, you know he's gonna get double teamed... you know he's gonna be in the post... you know he's willing to kick it out. other people can hit shots or re-post duncan. (thats what makes him a better post player to build around)

[Spursdaone]

i think duncan could have led them to the WCF more than a few times... beyond that, who knows. they would have picked people that fit around duncan. its easier to do that than it is to put people around kg. with kg, you never know what you're getting -- the me first kg, or the kg that wants to share the ball.

[constantstate]

if you're laughing cause you're drunk... thats ok. but if you put shooters around duncan... and give him a guy like wally (before kg stopped his growth) that can slash... and you have a playoff team that can go deep into the playoffs.

if you dont know those things... you havent been watching duncan or kg.

[Spursdaone]

I'm sorry 1 man can't carry team by himself. Even Duncan the great as everyone thinks he is as good as Shaq a few years ago.

[constantstate]

I'm sorry 1 man can't carry team by himself. Even Duncan the great as everyone thinks he is as good as Shaq a few years ago.

read what i wrote dude. and if you're drinking... read it twice.

[Spursdaone]

if you're laughing cause you're drunk... thats ok. but if you put shooters around duncan... and give him a guy like wally (before kg stopped his growth) that can slash... and you have a playoff team that can go deep into the playoffs.

if you dont know those things... you havent been watching duncan or kg.

Wally sucks. He can't pass or play defense. He does not deserve to be an allstar. Your comments are very homerish and you are greatly underestimating the talent Duncan has on his team. They are very good without Duncan to.

[constantstate]

Wally sucks. He can't pass or play defense. He does not deserve to be an allstar. Your comments are very homerish and you are greatly underestimating the talent Duncan has on his team. They are very good without Duncan to.

my comments are homerish? thats why a year ago, 2 years ago and for as far back as i can remember... gm's were polled and asked who you'd build a team around... and the majority picked duncan. (over an aging shaq and way ahead of kg)

you can build pretty easily around a solid bigman like duncan, moreso than kg. and yes, wally isnt exactly first team all defense... but i doubt duncan would punch him in the face if he asked for shots. (like kg did back in the day)

[Spursdaone]

Well it is easy to blame a superstar if their team isn't winning. Things would change dramatically for Garnett if he was on a good team. I don't listen to the so called experts. I watch the games and see the stats and that is how I look at it. You also ignore how much Garnett would be better if he was on a good team. His stats would be even higher. Especially shooting.

[constantstate]

Well it is easy to blame a superstar if their team isn't winning. Things would change dramatically for Garnett if he was on a good team. I don't listen to the so called experts. I watch the games and see the stats and that is how I look at it. You also ignore how much Garnett would be better if he was on a good team. His stats would be even higher. Especially shooting.

you obviously dont listen to experts... and if you just look at stats, you're crazy... allen iverson would win the championship every year then.

superstars are supposed to make their teams good/great, not the other way around. even and oldassin shaq went to miami and made it to the ECF. thats because you know what you're getting with shaq too. (just like duncan) he's gonna get double teamed in the post, and he's gonna score, get fouled, or pass. (yeah he passes it back out) thats how he's won a few championships himself.

you dont think shaq a few years ago could have taken the t-pups to the WCF at least once?

[Spursdaone]

I look at percentages and I watch how badly Minnesota plays when Garnett is off the floor. Iverson doesn't shoot a high percentage. When I look at stats I look at points and percentages of each category.

[constantstate]

I look at percentages and I watch how badly Minnesota plays when Garnett is off the floor. Iverson doesn't shoot a high percentage. When I look at stats I look at points and percentages of each category.

well good luck with that...

[Spursdaone]

I don't think stats tell the whole story but it is amazing how well Garnett plays on a selfish team that looks for the first shot available. Garnett would average about 26 points a game on San Antonio and they would be world champions with him to. Do it. Trade Duncan

[TDfan2007]

For Spursdaone:

Before the 2004-2005 season every GM in the NBA was asked who they thought the best power forward in the NBA is. Tim got 66% of the vote to KG's 30%.

And trust me, They know a lot more about basketball than you.

[TDfan2007]

Wally sucks. He can't pass or play defense. He does not deserve to be an allstar. Your comments are very homerish and you are greatly underestimating the talent Duncan has on his team. They are very good without Duncan to.

That's why when Tim was out this season the Spurs were blown out by the Knicks and destroyed by the Mavs.

[GrandeDavid]

Tim needs to become a much better free throw shooter before attempting what for him would be "trick shots" in three pointers. Sure, at practice he can hit some and might hit a few during tight shot clock situations. But there's no reason for him to try implementing three pointers into his game.

[Timoha]

No reason for Tim to be launching 3s. Manu, Bruce, Berry, Beno and Horry are all pretty good 3 pt shooters (knock on wood.) Tim should be playong close to the basket where he's much more effective. Where he has a much higher percentage shot or can get the rebound.

[ambchang]

Shaq hit his prime in the year 2000. Olajuwon in 1995. The stats were very similar that year and Olajuwon dominated Robinson not Shaq.

Shaq averaged 29.3/11.4/2.42 in 95
Shaq averaged 29.7/13.6/3.03 in 00
Not that much of a difference.
Hakeem averaged 35ppg vs. the Spurs with Robinson singled him. Averaged 33ppg with Shaq and Grant doubling him.
Oh wait, facts are not part of your arguments.

[ambchang]

well good luck with that...

He also see Garnett making imaginary 3's to win games for the Wolves as well, how Garnett is a 3pt threat to draw defenders towards him when all he did was saved a broken play by tossing in a 3pter at the end of a shot clock.
Guy, he has no arguments, when he ran out of stats, he will use the "I speak the truth" argument.