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We are talking world wide, aren't we?
see, now you're getting all riled up. I'm not looking for a fight, and I did not call you sister to insult you, I was joking. I've read every post you've made very clearly and I still think you're wrong. You can maintain that what I'm saying is ridiculous all you want, that still doesn't change the fact that Manu is more popular than timmy or DRob ever were at the moment, and if things continue to follow their course he will always be. If you can't deal with that, then perhaps its not me who's looking at this from a biased point of view, its you.
We are talking world wide, aren't we?
I rest my case!now who's wearing the rose colored glasses?
NO! When TD starts to fade a little and the team eventually is BOTH his an DUNCANS squad and he dosnt get the pass for bein merely mortal sometimes people will turn on him FAST especially if he keeps up wit the dumn turnovers and mistakes that hes always athreat to make
Hey Fizzzar, hermano, how long since you've posted anything?
Join the discussion!
You have no case to rest. I'm done with this, but not before highlighting a particularly ignorant comment you made:I rest my case!
"....Manu is already the most accomplished international player in history wouldn't you say?"
ummmm.......ever heard of Hakeem Olajuwon?? yeah, he was pretty good. Here's a bit of his bio for the ill informed (like yourself apparently)
Hakeem Olajuwon was arguably one of the best centers to ever play, alongside Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaquille O'Neal, Patrick Ewing and David Robinson as the best pivots in basketball history. He was affectionately called "Hakeem the Dream" for his grace on and off the court.
Olajuwan was the first overall pick by Houston Rockets in the 1984 NBA draft. He led the Houston Rockets to back-to-back NBA les (1994-95), was the regular season MVP (1994), and a 2-time Finals MVP ('94-95). He is a 6-time All-NBA 1st team member (1987-89,93-95). He is the all-time NBA blocks leader. After 17 glorious seasons with Houston, he was traded to Toronto in the waning days of his career.* With a steal against Seattle on November 20, 1999, Hakeem became the first player in NBA history to ac ulate both 2,000 blocked shots and 2,000 steals in a career.
While at the University of Houston, Olajuwan was selected as the Southwest Conference Player of the Decade (1980) by a panel of media and coaches. He is one of eight centers to have led his team to the NCAA Final Four in three straight seasons. The Cougars were 88-16 during Olajuwon's three magnificent seasons. He had career averages of 13.3 points, 10.7 rebounds, and 4.5 blocked shots. His number 34 jersey was retired by UH in February 1997. "Akeem," as he was known by back them, was part of "Phi Slama Jama" - the dunking fraternity of the University of Houston in the early 1980s. Phi Slamma Jamma was a brotherhood that included "Clyde the Glide" (Clyde Drexler) and "Mr. Mean" (Larry Micheaux). The name Phi Slama Jama came from then Houston Post columnist Thomas Bonk in January 1983. To this day, Phi Slamma Jamma is considered one of the greatest collegiate teams to play in the NCAA.
Manumania - perhaps you have something of a Latin bias when talking about the most successful international player ever?
They get mad at Tim because he plays like a pus sometimes I love Tim but its the truth. Manu plays balls out for the time hes in there always! I will never get mad at him for playing is hard as he does.
OH PLEASE!!! Olajuwon??? AN INTERNATIONAL PLAYER??? HE LEARNED HOW TO PLAY BASKETBALL IN THE US!!! AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION, NO I DON'T CONSIDER OLAJUWON A TRUE INTERNATIONAL PLAYER JUST BECAUSE HE WAS BORN OUTSIDE THE US! AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION NEITHER DO MOST KNOWLEDGEBLE BASKETBALL FANS! LAME ASS ARGUMENT
Jelly, didn't Hakeem become an American citizen in 1993 and play for the American NT in 1996?
One could argue that disqualifies him as you stereotype "international player"
For your information Jelly, Olajuwon only started playing basketball at the age of 15, that's ony 2 years before he enrolled in the University of Houston which is where he trully became the basketball player that he was. By no means can you classify him as an international player! HE NEVER PLAYED PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL ANYWHERE BUT THE US!! Seriously, stop coming up with dumbass takes just because you want to have the last word.
uh..not just born outside the U.S.. he was born AND RAISED in Nigeria !
He did not get U.S. citizenship til 93. HE WAS NIGERIAN!!! But good to know that you, in your wisdom, do not deem him to be a true international. I hope Hakeem won't be too hurt that he is not worthy of this designation by Your Greatness
He moved to the US at the age of 17!! and became the basketball player he was in the US!! He never played outside the US!! HE PLAYED SOCCER UP UNTIL HE WAS 15 AND AT 17 HE MOVED TO THE US!!HOW ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH CAN YOU CONSIDER HIM AN "INTERNATIONAL" PLAYER????uh..not just born outside the U.S.. he was born AND RAISED in Nigeria !
He did not get U.S. citizenship til 93. HE WAS NIGERIAN!!! But good to know that you, in your wisdom, do not deem him to be a true international. I hope Hakeem won't be too hurt that he is not worthy of this designation by Your Greatness
Jelly, you gotta admit that if a guy, born outside the US, plays in the NCAA (never plays B-ball under FIBA rules) and becomes a US citizen to play for the 96 Dream Team, he is not much of an International Player.uh..not just born outside the U.S.. he was born AND RAISED in Nigeria !
He did not get U.S. citizenship til 93. HE WAS NIGERIAN!!! But good to know that you, in your wisdom, do not deem him to be a true international. I hope Hakeem won't be too hurt that he is not worthy of this designation by Your Greatness
Actually most of his awards (regular season MVP and Finals MVP) he got when he was already an American.
Your argument seems to be pretty weak.
it doesn't seem weak, IT IS!!! Geez! and she calls ME ignorant!
Last edited by MaNuMaNiA; 07-05-2005 at 01:30 AM.
They were GINOBILIZED
Oh.My.God. You are a piece of work. Your first approach was to argue that he was merely "born" outside the U.S. (implying that he was essentially American...although now you will deny that you implied that, but it's there for all to see), and now your changing your little rules altogether and saying that by international you specifically mean a foreign player who has played at some point in his life for a league outside the U.S.?? Your just adjusting your argument to cover up for stupid things you say. And your calling ME a dumbass?? He was NOT AMERICAN, he was international and you know it, idiot!!! With all due respect, you can take your inane, circular, belligerent, arguing for the sake of arguing bull excuse for a debate and shove it up your ass. All you're doing on this thread (and countless others btw) is knocking yourself out looking for a fight!! You don't read half of what I write and then you respond back with half-baked, thick headed responses. Conversing with you is like herding chickens. You're all over the place.
Find someone else for this crap. I'm not interested.
Sore loser
Jelly was prolly one of those dumbasses that wanted to trade D Rob for Webber, and now feels he owes it to Dave to worship the ground he walk on.
Seriuosly, Jelly, we were having an argument and you went crazy on us. Don't take it personally. People around here will get really mean if this is how you react when you argue on this board.
I still think your Hakeem arguments are weak.
As to the main topic of this thread, who knows if Manu will be or is the most popular Spurs player WORLDWIDE. Neither you, nor MaNuMANiA nor anybody else knows. The fact is he could be. And it has nothing to do with what DRob of Timmy did for this franchise, or what they mean to you and the other diehard Spurs fans. It has nothing to do with your love for them. It has nothing to do with MaNuMANiA or shyne's love for Manu. Its based on thier perception of reality and on their arguments to explain that reality. Nothing more, nothing less.
there you go, now you're showing your real colors. You're as thickheaded and as dumb as they come. I never said he was American, sweetheart, I said he "learned to play basketball" in the US. You want to think he was an international player, then by all means go ahead, but know that noone else does. Your stupidity is endless as your patience is thin. I suggest that if you feel the NEED to be right about anything, you start by making valid points and not go about insulting people just because you're too ignorant to argue sensibly. I'm sorry if you feel I was trying to belittle DRob's "illustrious career", or Timmy's quiet excellence by simply stating that the masses prefer flash over brilliance, but its a fact not an opinion, and its plain for everyone to see.
It wasn't my FIRST approach, it was an incomplete one, which I clarified later on another post. If you choose to focus on semantics in order to avoid the actual argument then by all means I should assume you're too dense and obtuse to admit you're wrong. Either way, I'm done arguing with someone too stupid to understand they're being owned!
I'm gonna back my favorite player ever in Manu, and u have ur opinion on who u want its all good chill out man.
"You want to think he was an international player, then by all means go ahead, but know that noone else does."
actually, the NBA does. Jelly is right. Research NBA articles and reports on Hakeem. He is most definitely classified as an international player according to the NBA.
By the way, I don't care who the most popular international player is, but in this thread, between you and Jelly, you were by far the most obnoxious poster and I don't blame him for finally blowing up at you. He's right, you were just looking for a a fight the whole time.
The impact David Robinson has had on the Spurs and the City of San Antonio leaves no doubt in my mind who the man is in SA.
Everyone knows who David Robinson was, everyone know who Tim Duncan is BUT DAMN THEY ARE CHEERING FOR MANU.
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