Bill Maher called an Islamophobe for acknowledging reality

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Of course you could choose wrong. But the point is that you've at least chosen something. You say you weren't "programmed" so you chose Nothing. Other's were "programmed" so they choose their god. How are you any different?

The fact you feel choosing a religion just for the sake of it accomplishes something demonstrates a religious bias. If I have no logical reason to choose a religion and every other belief I have is dictated by logic/emperical evidence, why would I make a random exception?

If Jack and the Beanstalk was in the Bible, then a Christian should believe it. That's the whole basis for Salvation through faith. There are far crazier things in the Bible than Jack and the Beanstalk.

Lets say you were part of a social experiment where you were raised in an alternative environment where the Jack and the Beanstalk and Jonah and the Whale switched places as fairytale and Gospel. Would you be able to call ass and know that Jack and the Beanstalk was really a bull fairytale being taught to you as gospel?

Atheists are also dependent upon faith. They believe in what cannot be proved.

Faith isn't believing in anything that can't be proven. The genetic similarities between chimps and humans (as well as countless other things) make it so believing in evolution is hardly faith based. Comparing evolution and creationism as two equally faith based beliefs is a falsely equating the two.

[jag]

Why aren't we there in the "after" already?

What's the logic of creating a "before"?

I hope for your sake you're right.

[Blake]

A sacrifice has always been required.

God loves watching people die. He even wanted to see himself/son die.

He's a maniac.

[2centsworth]

You didn't; that's why I said "you guys."

then there's no point.

And always perfect.

Until it wasn't.

Or is the genocide still perfect?

"God lawfully has the right to execute judgment upon anyone. The Bible says that all people have sinned against God and are under his righteous judgment. Therefore, their execution is not an arbitrary killing nor is it murder. Murder is the unlawful taking of life. Killing is the lawful taking of life. For example, we can lawfully take a life in defense of our selves, our families, our nations, etc."

[resistanze]

Agreed, they went from hating black people to hating gay people to hating rape victims, just in the last 50 years. The persecution of non-Christians is a constantly evolving process.

[2centsworth]

God loves watching people die. He even wanted to see himself/son die.

He's a maniac.

I know, right.

[Blake]

I hope for your sake you're right.

what do you think will happen to me if I'm wrong?

[Clipper Nation]

Atheists are also dependent upon faith. They believe in what cannot be proved.

Ugh, not this again.... this argument was re ed last summer when Ynivre was using it, you're better than that, B....

Anyway, atheists by definition cannot be dependent upon faith - just break down the word atheism.... a = without, theism = religion/faith....

Atheists actually reject faith by refusing to subscribe to any religion, tbh....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I hope for your sake you're right.

Hopefully for your sake god isn't an Islamic extremist who punishes Christians in the afterlife, tbh.

[Blake]

I know, right.

I don't think you do.

[2centsworth]

straw man arguments appeal to you? I thought Christians were the naive ones.

[RandomGuy]

I don't recall Jesus calling for an all-inclusive order to kill nonbelievers.

"Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 191"

Seems pretty straightforward.

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


Seems to be a whole lot of instructions on how one needs to kill non-believers and so forth in the Bible as well.

Luckily most ingore these parts.

[Blake]

then there's no point.




"God lawfully has the right to execute judgment upon anyone. The Bible says that all people have sinned against God and are under his righteous judgment. Therefore, their execution is not an arbitrary killing nor is it murder. Murder is the unlawful taking of life. Killing is the lawful taking of life. For example, we can lawfully take a life in defense of our selves, our families, our nations, etc."

The bully makes the rules to apply to everyone but himself.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

straw man arguments appeal to you? I thought Christians were the naive ones.

Christian persecution of blacks, gays, and rape victims all within the last 50 years isn't a strawman argument. Just a truth bomb, tbh.

[2centsworth]

Ugh, not this again.... this argument was re ed last summer when Ynivre was using it, you're better than that, B....

Anyway, atheists by definition cannot be dependent upon faith - just break down the word atheism.... a = without, theism = religion/faith....

Atheists actually reject faith by refusing to subscribe to any religion, tbh....

to say anyone is without faith is naive. We all have faith in something, whether it's in the plane landing safely or the light turning on when we flick the switch. You just mean you have no faith in a power greater than yourself.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Ugh, not this again.... this argument was re ed last summer when Ynivre was using it, you're better than that, B....

Anyway, atheists by definition cannot be dependent upon faith - just break down the word atheism.... a = without, theism = religion/faith....

Atheists actually reject faith by refusing to subscribe to any religion, tbh....

Yonivore
evading this forum after the election more than clergymen evade taxes

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

We all have faith in something, whether it's in the plane landing safely or the light turning on when we flick the switch.

[2centsworth]

Christian persecution of blacks, gays, and rape victims all within the last 50 years isn't a strawman argument. Just a truth bomb, tbh.

It was a Christian that led the Civil Rights Movement. It's a Christian who is leader of the free world today. Like me saying Athiest have been cannibals for the last 50 years.

[RandomGuy]

I hope for your sake you're right.

There are hundreds of religions, many of which also give very grave consequences for non-belief.

I hope for your sake you picked the right one.

Personally, I don't think that anything that could cause the universe would make it so ambiguous. I am almost certain that if the universe was created/made by something it would not be the vindictive, venal of the OT. But that is just my opinion.

[resistanze]

to say anyone is without faith is naive. We all have faith in something, whether it's in the plane landing safely or the light turning on when we flick the switch. You just mean you have no faith in a power greater than yourself.

...How are these even comparable?

[redzero]

I have a legitimate question for atheists:

From a logical standpoint, does it not make more sense to believe in something as simply a fallback option for eternity? We can pretend like we know what happens after death - which depends on whether you believe a soul really exists - but we really don't know. So why not, at the very least, accept a belief system to hedge your bets?

Pascal's wager is weak as . I'm not going to believe in bull out of fear of going to .

What if I believe in the wrong God and go to anyway?
What if I believe in the right God and go to anyway?
What if I believe in the wrong God but there is no ?
What if I believe in the wrong God period?
What if there is a God but no afterlife?

There's this mistaken belief that just because one can either believe or not believe, that there is a 50/50 chance that the theist is right. That's wrong because the theist has to be right about believing AND has to correctly choose from the infinite amount of theological beliefs.

[jag]

Ugh, not this again.... this argument was re ed last summer when Ynivre was using it, you're better than that, B....

Anyway, atheists by definition cannot be dependent upon faith - just break down the word atheism.... a = without, theism = religion/faith....

Atheists actually reject faith by refusing to subscribe to any religion, tbh....

I get that. I guess I've always felt it takes a fair amount of faith to believe anything about an afterlife, or the absence of an afterlife. One way or another, it's outside the bounds of science. Questioning these type of things is not an indictment of someone's intellect. Stephen Hawking spent years of his life struggling with the concept of a Creator as his studies delved further into the origin of the universe.

[2centsworth]

I thought enlightened atheist post more than "They" and

[redzero]

Not sure when I became JaG? A sacrifice has always been required.

Bull . God makes the rules. God chose for there to be a sacrifice. There is no requirement.

[baseline bum]

I have a legitimate question for atheists:

From a logical standpoint, does it not make more sense to believe in something as simply a fallback option for eternity? We can pretend like we know what happens after death - which depends on whether you believe a soul really exists - but we really don't know. So why not, at the very least, accept a belief system to hedge your bets?

If any of those belief systems are right and I pick the wrong one, that's about the worst thing I could do. Followers of false gods aren't dealt with too charitably tbh.