Spurs: Argie is no longer a Spur in my eyes

[SpurSwag]

god damn dude. I'm not gonna go through the entire thread but just from reading the OP i'm really embarrassed to be a fan of the same team as you. Ginobili has been one of the best players in 2 les and has put his everything into helping our team win. It boggles my mind that people are part of something as stupid as CoP vs. CoM...they're on our team guys why the aren't we rooting for both!?!? Manu was and still is an integral part of our team, in different ways. Fans like you embarass me

[baseline bum]

Why is it the right play?

26 seconds left. Up by 4. Why even risk the chance of a 3 point play happening or the situation that occurred? Manu lets him dunk it, the game likely comes down to freethrows, with the absolute worst case scenario being Memphis has a game tying/winning opportunity with 1-2 seconds left.

If it was a minute left in the game, different story. But I disagree fouling in that situation was the right play because of the different things that can happen, one of which we saw first hand.

It was the right play because he fouled him hard enough to stop the shot. Can't really blame Manu for the refs being so stupid as to award a flagrant for an obvious fake on video.

[ElNono]

But there's no guarantee a foul stops him from scoring. How many times have we seen a player try to prevent an easy layup/dunk with a foul only for it to turn into an and 1?

Are you sure it's Pop's MO to foul at that point in the game, with 26 seconds left? I'm sure he'll go to bat for Manu and say it was a good foul, but I just think playing the odds by not fouling is the smarter play. Putting a player at the FT line in that situation also risks him making the 1st, missing the second, opposing team gets the offensive rebound and ties the game with a 3.

By not fouling you remove every bit of risk that can happen to you. Why risk it on the chance he misses a FT? Maybe if Allen was Dwight Howard, but he shoots about 80% and was 4-4 in the game.

If this was at the 5 minute mark (or even the 1 minute mark), I totally agree with fouling. But the clock at 26 seconds changes things.

It's all opinion, but this isn't about 'Pop MO'... that's what every smart team does in the playoffs unless you have a big lead and a layup doesn't matter. You don't give up easy layups. You foul hard enough to send them to the line and not give them an and1. That's what Manu did: grab the arm with the ball and then let him go once he couldn't pull the shot. It's just another foul, that should've been just that.

[HI-FI]

Maybe it wasn't the smartest play, but as I said in the game thread, i liked it. They were calling so much ticky tack in favor of Memphis, it was a welcome sight to see a thrown to the ground. Funny that it's called a flagrant yet Allen intentionally tripping Parker wasn't. I hope he's at least fined for flopping.

[FkLA]

End of the day, our expectations for Parker are too high, and maybe a bit unfair.

You won't find any championship teams in the modern era with a 6 foot PG as their offensive centerpiece. The Bad Boy Pistons are the closest you'll get, but their suffocating defense covered up many of Isiah's limitations. Small point guards simply aren't capable of carrying the scoring load in addition to all of the other responsibilities they're tasked with (running the offense, ball handling, chasing around the opposing PG etc). It's why Parker always gets gassed at the end of games. Not to mention, a PG's impact on the defensive end can only go so far.

Typically, the PG should be the number 2 or even 3rd scoring option. Even the greatest PG of all-time had that luxury.

Sometimes I think theyre too high but then again he also plays in arguably the greatest system ever. Sure he has his physical limitations but its not like hes expected to assume a traditional superstar role. He isnt as good as Durant/LBJ sure but he doesnt need to be tbh. San Antonio isnt iso oriented like OKC/Miami are, Tony has to carry a big load but not like the other two guys...not like Timmy did during the 4 down era. Its not that he doesnt dominate like them during the playoffs that bothers me its when he completely disappears. Like you said its frustrating to get teased the way Frenchie teases us, sometimes he looks amazing and then poof suddenly disappear.

I think Id be alot easier on him, if lets say he played a consistent series and the other team just happened to be better...when he plays like crap 14 of the final 16 quarters vs OKC or gets outplayed by a young Mike Conley though its kinda hard to not think that theres more he couldve done.

[Thebesteva]

Midnight, for future references always make threads like this after the game is over.

[Legacy]

Wow meltdowns are upstairs bro

K. I agree.

[urunobili]

Really? Which ones? Maybe 03, but even then it was Manu getting a key steal off to start start the fourth quarter comeback in game 6 vs the Nets. And then he was the one setting Jackson up for those open threes. Certainly don't get through Detroit in 05 nor Phoenix in 07 with a merely above average shooting guard in his place. I just talk about him to with the Nazi harborers.

baseline with the goods

[ohmwrecker]

midnightpulp have to agree with you on this thread

turnoboli is nothing more than a clown interested in sportscenter plays ahead of the teams objective

im done putting up with this clown protecting him and propping him up against the french wankers and their frog king parker...

both are 2 piece of tbh

This jackass agrees with you . . . case closed.

[midnightpulp]

This jackass agrees with you . . . case closed.

[jag]

at _Jag trying to act like hes not a huge Parker fanboy.

I dont recall him ' ting on me' aka following me around regarding shemales, UTSA, or bleeding green white and red...but as soon as I made a thread about Parker struggling vs GS hes been following me around. Everyone has their favorites, personally I have a huge man crush on Manu dont see the point in denying like he does with Parker tbh.

oh ok

[Clipper Nation]

This jackass agrees with you . . . case closed.

You fkn wanker!

[Bill_Brasky]

God damn Jag was funny in here, "why would I not rip on you for being an emo got?" was just asked in such an innocent way

[100%duncan]

This jackass agrees with you . . . case closed.

[jag]

End of the day, our expectations for Parker are too high, and maybe a bit unfair.

You won't find any championship teams in the modern era with a 6 foot PG as their offensive centerpiece. The Bad Boy Pistons are the closest you'll get, but their suffocating defense covered up many of Isiah's limitations. Small point guards simply aren't capable of carrying the scoring load in addition to all of the other responsibilities they're tasked with (running the offense, ball handling, chasing around the opposing PG etc). It's why Parker always gets gassed at the end of games. Not to mention, a PG's impact on the defensive end can only go so far.

Typically, the PG should be the number 2 or even 3rd scoring option. Even the greatest PG of all-time had that luxury.

This line of thinking is one reason I've never been able to come down too hard on Parker for his shortcomings. Another reason is that for all his deficiencies, he's spent every offseason improving a part of his game that had already been written off as one of his irremediable weaknesses.

Can't shoot the midrange J: Now it's one of his strengths.
Can only score and isn't able to create for his teammates at a high level: Now he's one of the best passing PGs in the League.
Doesn't have the range to spread the floor: While far from proficient, he's become an effective outside shooter when necessary. (Parker and Manu both shot 35% for 3-pt field goals this season)
Can't beat taller defenders: He found ways to contribute when matched up with 6'7" Klay Thompson.
Can't close out games: he's become arguably the most dependable player in crunch time. For every game he craps the bed in the clutch, there are two or three games where he carries the team in the final minutes.

He's far from perfect, but since coming into the league he's improved his game over the course of his career probably more than any player other than Dwyane Wade. He was gifted with quickness, but since coming into the league in 2001, there have been probably 100 guards who've washed out of the league with just as much quickness. He will never see the floor or understand the game the way Manu does, but more than any other player on the team not named Tim, I think he's gotten the most out of his talent. Even more so than Manu, who has been hampered by injuries.

He'll never be Durant or LBJ, but they will go down as two of the best to ever play. He'll never be as consistent as a prime Duncan, but not many players in league history ever have. He'll have performances and lay goose eggs in big games, but all players do. Even Lebron and Durant are no strangers to that. Ultimately, I don't think a guy with Tony's size and skillset should be asked to carry a team to championships. That's the biggest problem. I recognize Tony's flaws but I can respect the work he's put in. And that doesn't change from game to game.

[Mugen]

mid meltdowns are my favorite tbh.

[midnightpulp]

This line of thinking is one reason I've never been able to come down too hard on Parker for his shortcomings. Another reason is that for all his deficiencies, he's spent every offseason improving a part of his game that had already been written off as one of his irremediable weaknesses.

Can't shoot the midrange J: Now it's one of his strengths.
Can only score and isn't able to create for his teammates at a high level: Now he's one of the best passing PGs in the League.
Doesn't have the range to spread the floor: While far from proficient, he's become an effective outside shooter when necessary. (Parker and Manu both shot 35% for 3-pt field goals this season)
Can't beat taller defenders: He found ways to contribute when matched up with 6'7" Klay Thompson.
Can't close out games: he's become arguably the most dependable player in crunch time. For every game he craps the bed in the clutch, there are two or three games where he carries the team in the final minutes.

He's far from perfect, but since coming into the league he's improved his game over the course of his career probably more than any player other than Dwyane Wade. He was gifted with quickness, but since coming into the league in 2001, there have been probably 100 guards who've washed out of the league with just as much quickness. He will never see the floor or understand the game the way Manu does, but more than any other player on the team not named Tim, I think he's gotten the most out of his talent. Even more so than Manu, who has been hampered by injuries.

He'll never be Durant or LBJ, but they will go down as two of the best to ever play. He'll never be as consistent as a prime Duncan, but not many players in league history ever have. He'll have performances and lay goose eggs in big games, but all players do. Even Lebron and Durant are no strangers to that. Ultimately, I don't think a guy with Tony's size and skillset should be asked to carry a team to championships. That's the biggest problem. I recognize Tony's flaws but I can respect the work he's put in. And that doesn't change from game to game.

And like I told you in another one of my threads, when the playoffs conclude, win or lose, I appreciate every Spur, especially the big three.

[Jeff Van Gundy]

U pussies. I want to see more fighting

[sook]

This jackass agrees with you . . . case closed.

:rofl

[DAF86]

When the going gets tough you can always count on Manu's huevos. When everybody was playing like scared little es he was the one that settled the ship. Player of the game, imho.

[HI-FI]

When the going gets tough you can always count on Manu's huevos. When everybody was playing like scared little es he was the one that settled the ship. Player of the game, imho.

true. though his final 3 brought out some anti-Argentinian feelings tbh. but yeah, his huevos are always needed when Parker starts to shrivel up in crunch time.

[100%duncan]

[hater]

OP