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    It isn't only a Joseph vs. De Colo issue. De Colo has been put in a suit while, Mills, a player that has been behind him in the rotation for month, is on the active roster. There is also Neal playing a lot while he truly sucks and an out of shape TMac being active.

    I'm not saying these choices aren't the right ones. It's just that they aren't obvious and Pop should definitively spend a minute explaining to De Colo while he is inactive, even more that De Colo is known for his whining. That some basic coaching and I'm damn surprised Pop hasn't done that.
    Good point. IMO Pop probably just sees that CJ, Tmac, Mills, and Neal aren't afraid of the big moment and can be trusted not to back down if needed. Also, all 4 have bought into the team concept as far as what I've seen and read, even ballhog Neal. The coaches probably know better than we do that NDC hasn't quite gotten over himself yet.

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    I would at least until the season is over. No team needs this, especially after a Jack episode.

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    It isn't only a Joseph vs. De Colo issue. De Colo has been put in a suit while, Mills, a player that has been behind him in the rotation for month, is on the active roster. There is also Neal playing a lot while he truly sucks and an out of shape TMac being active.

    I'm not saying these choices aren't the right ones. It's just that they aren't obvious and Pop should definitively spend a minute explaining to De Colo while he is inactive, even more that De Colo is known for his whining. That some basic coaching and I'm damn surprised Pop hasn't done that.
    Do you think that making complaints public is typical of the European player? In other words, is it common in Europe to vent through the media. It's not the first time. There is Paul Gasol and Rudy Fernandez, to name a couple, who made known their displeasure at the lack of playing time.

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    You're really bad at this.
    You just said you didn't care how Beno performed in the playoffs.

    Others did.

    Sorry.

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    I would at least until the season is over. No team needs this, especially after a Jack episode.
    Rumors were that Jack was negatively influencing some of the younger guys. Maybe NDC was one of those guys.

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    Could be that his whining caused him to be written off. I'll look for an offseason trade.
    Well, I would say the most likely reason why De Colo is inactive is because he is a rookie and Pop rarely goes with rookies in the playoffs. Players like Oberto, Hill and Splitter have started their rookie playoffs with DNP-CD.

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    Unlike De Colo though, Patty's always upbeat, and is always cheering for the success of his teammates. De Colo 's visibly depressed every time he loses his spot as the backup.
    thats what i meant lol. be like patty.

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    He had a chance to prove himself many times and he didn't impress Pop. Cory had less chance but obviously impressed Pop more. Simple story. And we don't need es like that on our team, if he isn't satisfied here, the door is open and he can leave. Just stop ing around in the playoffs, rook...

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    It's called, work your ass off to get ahead of the guys ahead of you on the depth chart.

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    It isn't only a Joseph vs. De Colo issue. De Colo has been put in a suit while, Mills, a player that has been behind him in the rotation for month, is on the active roster. There is also Neal playing a lot while he truly sucks and an out of shape TMac being active.

    I'm not saying these choices aren't the right ones. It's just that they aren't obvious and Pop should definitively spend a minute explaining to De Colo while he is inactive, even more that De Colo is known for his whining. That some basic coaching and I'm damn surprised Pop hasn't done that.
    So, Jack talking in private makes you go off on him and say it's an unforgivable act and you hate him now, while NDC going off in public is fine? Why?

    Pop treats the players like men. He doesn't and shouldn't have to hold their hands and explain why they are or aren't playing. And, really, what's Pop going to say to De Colo?

    "Hey look, I gave you about a dozen chances during the regular season to earn the backup point guard job. I even publicly came out and supported you. But you were either too turnover prone or too passive and never found any middle ground. Defensively, you were decent but you were also hit or miss on that end as well. In the playoffs, we can't afford turnovers or passive play. Unfortunately, you are guaranteed to provide one or the other."

    I think De Colo remains an intriguing prospect for next season but if I'm Pop, I don't play him either in the playoffs. He's simply too green at this point and there really isn't a whole lot of upside to him right now. At least Neal may get hot for a game and pour in ~20 points. Mills is useful as a spark plug. Joseph is a way better fit right now. With Jack gone and Kawhi hurt, TMac is needed as SF depth. Baynes is needed as bigman depth. De Colo is the obvious man for the suit, IMO.

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    I like Nando, but am very pleased with how CoJo has developed his game in the D League and stepped it up in the playoffs. I understand Nando's frustration, but whining to the media at this point in time is very stupid. I was hoping to see how he would improve for next season but now am wondering if he isn't traded.

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    My theory is that while players like Joseph and Neal suck in many ways, the way they suck is fairly predictable and can be worked into a game plan. NDC was all over the place in his suckage.

    Suck more consistently, Nando.

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    We all wanted him to win minutes and we all celebrated when pop called him the backup point guard.
    Not all of us. He's terrible. Unless he learns to shoot, he'll never make it in the NBA.

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    I'm not saying these choices aren't the right ones. It's just that they aren't obvious and Pop should definitively spend a minute explaining to De Colo while he is inactive, even more that De Colo is known for his whining. That some basic coaching and I'm damn surprised Pop hasn't done that.
    We know that he hasn't?

    While saying he's wearing a suit doesn't sound particularly tactful, it's possible - especially with Nando's rep as a whiner - that it's been explained to him and he just chooses to exaggerate & represent it this way to the press.

    And these choices are the right ones.

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    Do you think that making complaints public is typical of the European player? In other words, is it common in Europe to vent through the media. It's not the first time. There is Paul Gasol and Rudy Fernandez, to name a couple, who made known their displeasure at the lack of playing time.
    Maybe, I'm not sure. It's true that it's common in sports like soccer to have players complaining about not playing and asking or even forcing their team to trade them.

    There is also the fact that these Euro rookies aren't the same kind of rookies. A player like De Colo is 25 years old and has taken a pay cut to join Spurs. It's not the same situation that a 20 years old rookie coming from college where he wasn't officially paid.

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    Could be that his whining caused him to be written off. I'll look for an offseason trade.
    Likely and I think we can get back a decent piece for him, he's definitely talented (passing wise anyway, shooting is too streaky) but he would fit a need on a ton of teams. Just not getting the chance here due to logjam at his position and CJ's actually really great play.

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    As turnover prone as Nando is that Memphis defense (and presumably the Miami defense) would eat him alive. Barring injury, it'll be a suit for him as long as this playoff run lasts.

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    So, Jack talking in private makes you go off on him and say it's an unforgivable act and you hate him now, while NDC going off in public is fine? Why?

    Pop treats the players like men. He doesn't and shouldn't have to hold their hands and explain why they are or aren't playing. And, really, what's Pop going to say to De Colo?
    Really???

    Jack was waived because and I quote Woj " Spurs believed that Jackson had started to have a negative impact on the team's younger players". That's a gazillion worst than De Colo saying to a newspaper than he isn't fine with not playing.

    Jack was hurting the team. AFAIK, NDC isn't at all.

    And men communicates. Spurs had a full week off between the Lakers and the Warriors series. It's not crazy to think that Pop should have taken a minute to say to De Colo: "I want to go with more experienced NBA players so you will be in a suit".

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    My theory is that his defensive rotations sucked ass in march into April and he got sat for sucking. Neal is sucking worse and I was hoping that DeCulo might push for some playing time over Dr Ole-no close out. Hope he hasn't burned any bridges. If Pop had his assistants tell him then that hurts his "straight shooter," "tell you like it is" reputation.

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    Nando shouldn't have said that, but hes young and eager to play. Mistakes happen, and if he can learn from this, then I don't really think this will be a big deal.

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    I think it's probably a combo of things, including:

    1) Neal has been there. Even if he plays horrible, it's less risky.
    2) He really can't shot the 3. Mills can and Mills also has a few NBA seasons under his belt (see 1).
    3) T-Mac is more of wing insurance. He's probably there in case Kawhi has some serious problem with the knee.

    I also wouldn't discount it's a case of...

    4) Some tough love. It's not out of the realm of possibilities that Pop just thinks De Colo has to earn his playoff stripes in a suit from the bench, much like Bonner, Oberto, Splitter, Hill, etc... Realistically, Neal is probably gone when the season ends. Mills next season is a team option. Manu is still in the air. He's going to have chances next season to prove he has made improvements. He's going to have to show a much more steady hand and better shooting than this season, but there's no reason to think he can't do it.

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    I can name you a few people who aren't frustrated at Nando's lack of playing time this postseason: Me, and damn near every other Spurs fan who isn't blind.

    The guy is extremely raw and unworthy of playing in the current Spurs' rotation unless multiple Spurs PGs get injured and they have no choice to. Joseph and Mills are both better than Nando, and honestly Neal pretty much is too even though he's not even a PG.

    I don't doubt that Nando has potential to be better, but he absolutely isn't anywhere close to good this season. Instead of crying about it, he should he using it as fuel to work hard to improve.

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    Then why is it that De Colo was ahead of him in the rotation to START the year?
    Neither was projected to get playing time when Ginobili returned. Joseph wanted to go to Austin to get minutes to develop his game and De Colo didn't think he needed to. So the Spurs let both players do what they wanted them to until the d-league season ended. Then Joseph and De Colo competed for the spot, and Joseph won. It's pretty simple, really. For all the talk about De Colo being better than Joseph, Nando needed the time in Austin as much as Cory did.

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    Mills next season is a team option.
    Mills has a player option.

    You're right that Pop has plans for De Colo. Otherwise, he wouldn't have tried to send him to the d-league (or paid him to come over in the first place). It's up to Nando to get the right mentality.

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