Lakers: How will Lakers fans feel if Duncan gets 5?

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[midnightpulp]

Duncam played with 17-10 Robinson in 97 and 99'. Robinson had a down year in 98.

17-10 is hall of fame worthy now?

[King Nupe]

17-10 is hall of fame worthy now?

It's what Pau averaged his 5 seasons as a Laker. 17.4 and 9 to be exact.

[midnightpulp]

Lol, but 4 of those seasons are irrelevant The championship run didnt start until 99. So he got shaq at his absolute prime for 99-2004. That's not 8 years, that's 5 homie.

No they're not. By that logic, I can say that anything post '07 is irrelevant because the championship run was over, so Duncan only got to play with an All Star level Tony Parker for 2 years.

Kobe played with the top 10 version of Shaq for nearly half his career. Duncan's played with an All Star level Tony Parker (who might crack the top 50 players of all time if he's lucky) for 8 seasons.

[midnightpulp]

It's what Pau averaged his 5 seasons as a Laker. 17.4 and 9 to be exact.

Still, Gasol in '09 and '10 was better than any version of David Robinson Duncan got to play with.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

credit rmt for these stats/post

Let's compare the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options on each team:

LAL 2006 Playoffs / SAS 2003 Playoffs

Odom 19.1 pts / 11 reb / 4.9 asst 49.5%FG - Parker 14.7 pts / 2.8 reb / 3.5 asst 40.3%FG

Kwame 12.9 pts / 6.6 reb / 1.0 asst 52.3%FG SJax 12.8 pts / 4.1 reb / 2.7 asst 41.4%FG

Walton 12.1 pts / 6.4 reb / 1.7 asst 45.8%FG Manu 9.4 pts / 3.8 reb / 2.9 asst 38.5%FG

Kobe lost in the 1st round, and Duncan won the championship.

[King Nupe]

No they're not. By that logic, I can say that anything post '07 is irrelevant because the championship run was over, so Duncan only got to play with an All Star level Tony Parker for 2 years.

Kobe played with the top 10 version of Shaq for nearly half his career. Duncan's played with an All Star level Tony Parker (who might crack the top 50 players of all time if he's lucky) for 8 seasons.

But he's played with another HOF in Ginobli. Again, you and I agree that Ginobli and Gasol are equal HOF candidates. Also, Parker has a FMVP, so he's not a borderline HOFer. Kobe hasn't played with Shaq since 04' and has been to 3 finals without him. What has Duncan done without Ginobli/Parker combo or Robinson/ Parker/ Ginobli combo? Nothing. Parker was even an MVP candidate this year.


Also, Robinson 1 MVP/ Shaq 1 MVP; Parker MVP candidate/Ginobli Mutiple 6 MOY and allstar > Pau allstar bench player/ Odom 1 time 6 MOY, non allstar

[King Nupe]

credit rmt for these stats/post

Let's compare the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options on each team:

LAL 2006 Playoffs / SAS 2003 Playoffs

Odom 19.1 pts / 11 reb / 4.9 asst 49.5%FG - Parker 14.7 pts / 2.8 reb / 3.5 asst 40.3%FG

Kwame 12.9 pts / 6.6 reb / 1.0 asst 52.3%FG SJax 12.8 pts / 4.1 reb / 2.7 asst 41.4%FG

Walton 12.1 pts / 6.4 reb / 1.7 asst 45.8%FG Manu 9.4 pts / 3.8 reb / 2.9 asst 38.5%FG

Kobe lost in the 1st round, and Duncan won the championship.

Agenda Exposed, Comparing 3 allstar and 2 of them HOF to 3 bench Warner's with one of them no longer in the league

[King Nupe]

Still, Gasol in '09 and '10 was better than any version of David Robinson Duncan got to play with.

Gasol was 18-10, Robinson was 17-10 in two of his years with Duncan AND he was a former MVP. That's not that much of difference

[midnightpulp]

But he's played with another HOF in Ginobli. Again, you and I agree that Ginobli and Gasol are equal HOF candidates. Also, Parker has a FMVP, so he's not a borderline HOFer. Kobe hasn't played with Shaq since 04' and has been to 3 finals without him. What has Duncan done without Ginobli/Parker combo or Robinson/ Parker/ Ginobli combo? Nothing. Parker was even an MVP candidate this year.


Also, Robinson 1 MVP/ Shaq 1 MVP; Parker MVP candidate/Ginobli Mutiple 6 MOY and allstar > Pau allstar bench player/ Odom 1 time 6 MOY, non allstar

What has Kobe done without Shaq/Gasol/Odom combo?

Nothing.

[midnightpulp]

And who gives a if Robinson has an MVP.

Is your brain that tiny that you can't comprehend the simple fact that Robinson wasn't in his prime when he played with Duncan?

Fact is, no player ever won a regular season MVP playing alongside Duncan.

But Shaq won one playing alongside Kobe.

And quit bringing up Manu as a "hall of fame" teammate. If FIBA didn't exist, Manu would have zero chance at making the hall of fame. Manu is a fine player and was an all star level teammate from '05-'09, but he was never as good as Gasol was from '08-'10. Neither was Parker until this season.

[King Nupe]

What has Kobe done without Shaq/Gasol/Odom combo?

Nothing.

Those are 2 different combos, and non of those players were successful before they played with Kobe.

[Splits]

And who gives a if Robinson has an MVP.

Is your brain that tiny that you can't comprehend the simple fact that Robinson wasn't in his prime when he played with Duncan?

Fact is, no player ever won a regular season MVP playing alongside Duncan.

But Shaq won one playing alongside Kobe.

And quit bringing up Manu as a "hall of fame" teammate. If FIBA didn't exist, Manu would have zero chance at making the hall of fame. Manu is a fine player and was an all star level teammate from '05-'09, but he was never as good as Gasol was from '08-'10. Neither was Parker until this season.

Damn Mid, coming out of nowhere to troll Lkerfn. Were you in the hole?

[King Nupe]

And who gives a if Robinson has an MVP.

Is your brain that tiny that you can't comprehend the simple fact that Robinson wasn't in his prime when he played with Duncan?

Fact is, no player ever won a regular season MVP playing alongside Duncan.

But Shaq won one playing alongside Kobe.

And quit bringing up Manu as a "hall of fame" teammate. If FIBA didn't exist, Manu would have zero chance at making the hall of fame. Manu is a fine player and was an all star level teammate from '05-'09, but he was never as good as Gasol was from '08-'10. Neither was Parker until this season.

But FIBA DOES exist, also you think Gasol would be HOF without FIBA? Parker won a FMVP, so he was better than Gasol ever was.

[DAF86]

And who gives a if Robinson has an MVP.

Is your brain that tiny that you can't comprehend the simple fact that Robinson wasn't in his prime when he played with Duncan?

Fact is, no player ever won a regular season MVP playing alongside Duncan.

But Shaq won one playing alongside Kobe.

And quit bringing up Manu as a "hall of fame" teammate. If FIBA didn't exist, Manu would have zero chance at making the hall of fame. Manu is a fine player and was an all star level teammate from '05-'09, but he was never as good as Gasol was from '08-'10. Neither was Parker until this season.

Manu not having a "hall of fame" NBA career is probably true but it's not a definitive, tbh (there's a case that could be made for him getting there on his NBA career alone: 3 rings, one of the best winning % in history, 2 all-star games, 6th man of the year, one of the biggest international stars ever, the eurostep even the flops, the HoF isn't all about stats) and it's definitely not fair to dismiss him when arguing the help Tim Duncan has gotten in his career when '05 Manu was probably the best partner of any of Tim Duncan's championship years. Either way '05 Manu isn't even half as helpful as having '00/'01/'02 Shaq on your team so yeah, Kobe still loses by a lot in this argument.

[midnightpulp]

But FIBA DOES exist, also you think Gasol would be HOF without FIBA? Parker won a FMVP, so he was better than Gasol ever was.

Cedric Maxwell also won a Finals MVP. Guess that means he's better than Gasol, too.

Guess what? A certain player won 3 Finals MVPs playing alongside Kobe.

Gasol is probably a borderline HOF without FIBA. Ginobili doesn't sniff the HOF without FIBA.

Since you love using All Stars selections and other awards as "proof" of player quality, let's see how many All Stars, 6 men of the year, MVPs, Finals MVP, etc winners Kobe and Duncan played with. Note: The award(s) had to be won while playing WITH the respective player, so David Robinson, Karl Malone and Steve Nash's MVPs don't count.

Number of All Star selections:

Duncan's supporting cast: 10

Kobe's supporting cast: 14

6 Man of the Year award winners:

Duncan: 1

Kobe: 1

Regular season MVP award winners:

Duncan: 0

Kobe: 1

Finals MVP award winners:

Duncan: 1

Kobe: 3

All NBA First Team Selections:

Duncan: 0

Kobe: 6

2nd team selections:

Duncan: 3

Kobe: 3

3rd team selections:

Duncan: 5

Kobe: 4


As they say:

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[HI-FI]

watching Midnight slap random Laker fans is a ST classic.

[King Nupe]

Cedric Maxwell also won a Finals MVP. Guess that means he's better than Gasol, too.

Guess what? A certain player won 3 Finals MVPs playing alongside Kobe.

Gasol is probably a borderline HOF without FIBA. Ginobili doesn't sniff the HOF without FIBA.

Since you love using All Stars selections and other awards as "proof" of player quality, let's see how many All Stars, 6 men of the year, MVPs, Finals MVP, etc winners Kobe and Duncan played with. Note: The award(s) had to be won while playing WITH the respective player, so David Robinson, Karl Malone and Steve Nash's MVPs don't count.

Number of All Star selections:

Duncan's supporting cast: 10

Kobe's supporting cast: 14

6 Man of the Year award winners:

Duncan: 1

Kobe: 1

Regular season MVP award winners:

Duncan: 0

Kobe: 1

Finals MVP award winners:

Duncan: 1

Kobe: 3

All NBA First Team Selections:

Duncan: 0

Kobe: 6

2nd team selections:

Duncan: 3

Kobe: 3

3rd team selections:

Duncan: 5

Kobe: 4


As they say:

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youre an Idiot with an agenda. All of those stats were pretty much Shaq. Also shaq won 3 FMVPs but you put him as 3 when he should be 1 because its not 3 of Kobe's teammates winning FMVP, it's only 1.


HOF during le runs
Duncan: 3
Kobe : 2

[King Nupe]

Plus those are arbitrary categories you used to fit your agenda.

[King Nupe]

Btw, how is Gasol a borderline HOF without FIBA?

Rings
Manu 3 > Gasol 2

[King Nupe]

And it's only 1 of his teammates with 1st team NBA selection. Your agenda is exposed

[King Nupe]

Also, you have to put how many allstars they played with. Shaq had all those Allstar selections not Gasol. Stop working the numbers

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Duncan`s a cool dude despite the cuck factor...i have no issue with the Spurs team, but their fans are by and large insufferable yet easily trollable crybabies. A few on this site are chill people, but the majority are an embarrassment to the human race.

Me and you though Deadly, we're good

[midnightpulp]

youre an Idiot with an agenda. All of those stats were pretty much Shaq. Also shaq won 3 FMVPs but you put him as 3 when he should be 1 because its not 3 of Kobe's teammates winning FMVP, it's only 1.

Which is exactly why Kobe has had more help than Duncan. The "Shaq" factor is too much to overcome for Kobe supporters in this case. Again, Kobe got to play alongside not just a "Hall of Famer," but one of the greatest players in NBA history, at his peak, for nearly half his career. Any GM, fan, coach would trade Shaq in his prime for Manu and Parker in a nanosecond.

HOF during le runs
Duncan: 3
Kobe : 2

The '03 team didn't even have an all-star, much less a Hall of Famer. Quit simplifying with the "Hall of Famer" designation. It makes you look like even more of a moron than you actually are. If that Hall of Famer isn't in his prime, it's meaningless to bring up.

But I can play that game, too.

Top 10 all-time great during le runs:

Kobe: 1

Duncan: 0

And lookie what we have here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._greatest.html

Gasol ranks higher than both Manu and Parker.

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[midnightpulp]

Oh, another list in which Gasol ranks higher than both Manu and Parker:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=282470