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    Someone told me today that the Spurs see a sane Darius Miles type upside with LJC. That'd be pretty damn nice and fit well next to Leonard

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    Next year la noche latina
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    Les Spurs.

    Can't wait to buy the shirt.

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    Just watched his highlights from the Hoops Summit.

    He has a lot to work on. His dribbling/perimeter game is very iffy if he wants to play the 3. He's too skinny right now to play the 4. If those improve he could be a decent hybrid.

    He seems to be more of a feel/instinct player who silently stuff the stat sheet, which would fit well in the Spurs system. He looks like he's a pretty decent rebounder and times his jumps well. Had shooting capability but would need to work on that too in order to be able to hit consistently from further out.

    How's his defense? If he does that well then I'm definitely intrigued, given how big he is.

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    Definitely more athletic/coordinated than Mahinmi. In that Nike game you could LJC him back pedaling well on defense, something Ian could never do that without tripping over himself.

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    i hope he can be a sf, i don't want another undersized pf that gets pushed. If he can defend the 3 (apparently he's a good defender), he needs to bulk up a bit and fix his shot, pretty much what san antonio is good at.

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    Will he play Summer League ball?

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    Will he play Summer League ball?
    Nope. Will be with French national team, I believe.

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    Robert Horry was about his size when he was a Sop re at Alabama. Horry stayed in school and after his Sr. year, Robert was roundly booed by Rockets fans (who wanted Harold Miner) as the 11th pick in the draft. We all know what Rob became. So, you never know what can happen with a 19 yr. old kid like Livio. With good player development added to his 4-5 years at INSEP...who knows what the Spurs may have here?

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    No, the armchair GMs who never saw him play have spoken.

    "Wasted pick" it is.

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    Reminds me of Darrell Arthur a little.

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    No, the armchair GMs who never saw him play have spoken.

    "Wasted pick" it is.


    That always makes me laugh.

    "Yea, I know the Spurs drafting history. Yes, I've heard about guys like Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, Kawhi Leonard, Tiago Splitter and George Hill. But I just don't trust RC. You see, I watched this highlight Youtube video and based on that decided that RC is an idiot to draft this guy! Sure, I know he had scouts at games throughout the season, and has seen a ton of film on him, but that Youtube video was seriously like 5 minutes long. And frankly, I'm really not impressed. We SHOULD have drafted "_________." That guy had a Youtube video for the ages. Why doesn't RC listen to me?! I've been posting quality messages like this to him on Facebook for like 4 years..."

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    Tired of frenchies.
    Not sure if he will play in the Nba someday.


    u mad ?

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    Spurs love 6'9 guys
    Spurs love french guys
    Spurs love south american guys
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    Spurs love Livio Jean Charles
    one of the best syllogisms i've ever seen !

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    LOL my brother googled this guy and when he saw his stats he said "wow, this guy is a bum." Good points though Kidd K. I'm pretty sure a lot of these Popsuckers and Manu worshippers are going to disagree with you since they tend to have that status quo at ude.
    Yeah he really doesn't seem very impressive. It's hard to be behind the pick when I'm so behind winning with Duncan still around and with TP still in his prime. I'm not gonna ask these dweebs for their forgiveness for not liking a moneyball move for 2-3 years from now. If there's any time they shouldn't be playing the distant future moneyball game, it's right now coming off a game 7 in the Finals, Manu in his last season, and Duncan in his last one or two seasons.


    Who do you think they should have picked instead?
    I thought they should have taken Crabbe. We could've used him this year and he would've been able to somewhat hold the fort when Manu inevitably goes down and in the meantime as Neal's replacement. Not to mention Manu is imminently considering retirement. I would not be surprised if he gets hurt midseason then just says it and hangs it up midseason like TJ Ford did.

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    I'm not sure how he will develop in Asvel?He didn't get significant minutes last season and they are not playing in euroleague next season.

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    Spurs did draft and stash so they can save that 1mil to pay Ginobili his 1 yr contract lol

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    I think this kid should be a good pick. I don't think he will be soft either. On some of his block attempts you can see the compe ive fire all over his face. I believe the Spurs could be onto something. Kawhi could play at the 2 and this kid at the three which fould have the makeup of a quicker, bigger, longer defense. I am quite intrigued by this move. I hope he plays in the summer league or where I can watch him.

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    I've yet to see any evidence that any team, I mean any team, out there is better at drafting than the Spurs. Benefit of the doubt goes to the FO.

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    As strange as it sounds, a key to me to evaluate the jean-Charles pick will be what will happen the next couple of weeks with Spurs FO. If Spurs are in a situation where the extra cap space creating by stashing their first round pick is useful, it will be damn near impossible to criticize that pick.

    If Spurs didn't want to have a cap hold for their pick, they had very little choice:
    - Finding a player willing to be stashed with a first round pick isn't easy. "Euros" now doesn't want to stay in Europe while they have a $1M+ contract waiting for them in NBA.
    - Trading the pick wasn't really a good option. These end of the first round picks has little value in that draft. For example, #27 was traded for #46 and cash.

    Now, if Spurs summer end up with Spurs re-signing their own players and using the MLE, I would be way more wary about that pick. Was jean-Charles really better than all the other college players available at #28?

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    As strange as it sounds, a key to me to evaluate the jean-Charles pick will be what will happen the next couple of weeks with Spurs FO. If Spurs are in a situation where the extra cap space creating by stashing their first round pick is useful, it will be damn near impossible to criticize that pick.

    If Spurs didn't want to have a cap hold for their pick, they had very little choice:
    - Finding a player willing to be stashed with a first round pick isn't easy. "Euros" now doesn't want to stay in Europe while they have a $1M+ contract waiting for them in NBA.
    - Trading the pick wasn't really a good option. These end of the first round picks has little value in that draft. For example, #27 was traded for #46 and cash.

    Now, if Spurs summer end up with Spurs re-signing their own players and using the MLE, I would be way more wary about that pick. Was jean-Charles really better than all the other college players available at #28?
    Well reasoned. That's why a few of said this move screams cap space management. With Boris opting in, Patty opting in and maybe some uncertainty about Manu/Tiago's going rate, maximizing opportunities for cap space is important. Even though the Spurs say they had him ranked highly, I don't believe they think he will be better or is better than some of the guys who were available. I think they liked him well enough, but the fact he could be stashed is what elevated him in their minds.

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    Well reasoned. That's why a few of said this move screams cap space management.
    My first thought last night was, how does this affect (or preserve) the ability to get Thomas Robinson.

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    . If Bruno don't like it, that doesn't give me confidence. Hope we got something special cooking, I don't want to waste Duncan's last couple years.

    Too late: see Game 6, where Pop is boozing on the sidelines instead of coaching.

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    . If Bruno don't like it, that doesn't give me confidence. Hope we got something special cooking, I don't want to waste Duncan's last couple years.

    Too late: see Game 6, where Pop is boozing on the sidelines instead of coaching.

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    As strange as it sounds, a key to me to evaluate the jean-Charles pick will be what will happen the next couple of weeks with Spurs FO. If Spurs are in a situation where the extra cap space creating by stashing their first round pick is useful, it will be damn near impossible to criticize that pick.

    If Spurs didn't want to have a cap hold for their pick, they had very little choice:
    - Finding a player willing to be stashed with a first round pick isn't easy. "Euros" now doesn't want to stay in Europe while they have a $1M+ contract waiting for them in NBA.
    - Trading the pick wasn't really a good option. These end of the first round picks has little value in that draft. For example, #27 was traded for #46 and cash.

    Now, if Spurs summer end up with Spurs re-signing their own players and using the MLE, I would be way more wary about that pick. Was jean-Charles really better than all the other college players available at #28?
    Well said. We can say that LJC probably would've been there later, but the Spurs trust their process, and couldn't have gotten down a small amount without taking on risk that he would've been gone. Solid chance he's gone at 48 of the Spurs got an equivalent offer to the one the Nuggets got.

    The other thing to take into account is that the Spurs roster has a lot of average players, which is about as good as top end stats predictions are. Getting an average player at 28 is a huge achievement, but that wouldn't help the Spurs next year. Getting established, well above average players does help, and a little bit of cap space can help you do that.

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