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that's what i thought, and it really sucks tbh.. ak47 is one of my favourite players while belinelli is one of my least..
So Saunders refuses to facilitate a sign and trade for AK47, refused to make the Kevin Martin signing a S&T, and now Denver has been reluctant to facilitate a sign and trade for Brewer to get to Minnesota. I think the GM's of Denver, Minnesota, SA, and OKC all need to get on skype
that's what i thought, and it really sucks tbh.. ak47 is one of my favourite players while belinelli is one of my least..
Sad this did not work out ... Spurs would have improved and gone even more international
Hopefully I'll awaken to good news in the morning, but I doubt it, tbh. No way should the FO not get this deal done.
Long ago I entertained the reality that we wouldn't be getting AK-47. Helps in the likelihood of it actually not happening. No disappointment.
So does this end all AK-47 talks?
They'll just sign this guy
Obviously wolves didn't like what spurs were selling but if that was the case why the rush to ink beli and Duncan penderhughes if they really wanted AK
Last edited by slick'81; 07-10-2013 at 03:28 AM.
Going into next season with 1 SF would be a disaster.
Turns out OKC is keen on a Martin S&T but Minny aren't, according to Woj.
I thought Minny's FO will be better after Kaaahnn left. Turns out his ghost still resides there.
terrible news.
And I don't get the people triumphing over the Spurs trying and failing to get a deal done.
They didn't have to fail. They could have signed AK outright by keeping Neal's caphold and later matching/signing, dumping De Colo, and amnestying Bonner.
I'm not the greatest fan of AK at this point in his career. But I do think he could have played in that Miami series, or any series the Spurs would play in. You can't say that for Bonner or Pendergraph. Period. Spurs had their chance to get it done, but now have to hope and dream.
Not convinced this is dead totally. Often deals are put aside and then revisited after teams have time to think it through and mull over other offers. I'm not saying it will get done, just don't think it's dead...
I don't see how the trade would have made sense. AK wasn't going to start over Leonard and I doubt he wants to come of the bench.
Contenders don't trade with other contenders from the same conference!
I missed that in Woj article. In that case, it makes little sense. Minny won 31 games last season. they aren't in a position where they should be worried about making contenders stronger. If a Kirilenko S&T allows them to also get Cory Brewer, they should go for it.
Agree but teams will have to hurry up. Some events will make a deal impossible to make.
A Kirilenko S&T will be dead when Minny signs Kevin Martin because they will then renounce to Kirilenko Bird rights.
A Kirilenko potential signing with cap space might be still dead if the agreement for Pendergraph deal is $4M/2 years and will be dead for sure when Spurs will sign Splitter, Belinelli and Pendergraph.
the very fact that this whole deal proposal got so far to make the radar like this suggests to me that Kirilenko had already given his blessing to the money and the role. This trade doesn't get far enough for Saunders to tell RC to get lost and call a cab if AK's agent told the Spurs a number that was too high or that he was demanding to start.
Furthermore, sign and trades are treated as single transactions. Teams can't pull a bait and switch either way. AK can't sign thinking he'll be a member of the Wolves only to find himself traded 5 minutes later, and vice versa the Wolves can't agree to a S&T and then after the ink is dry yell out, "fooled you!" and just keep him. AK had to be in on it.
What's the difference between SGs and SFs in Pop's system anyway?
So that would mean that it definitely is dead? As if they sign and trade AK with us would that mean it changes anything to do with the Kevin Martin deal? If for example we were to trade Bonner, one of our PG's and 1st rounder for AK on a two year $15m deal. They would be adding Bonner's and maybe a De Colo or Mills salary to their books. Would that effect Martin money?
They can't take on any salary and still pay Martin if I understand things correctly.
They need a third team to take the Spurs salary and then Minny gets picks and a trade exception. They then either use that exception to take Martin or decide to renounce the exception and just sign Martin.
To sign Kevin Martin, Minny will need cap space. If they keep Kirilenko bird rights, which they must if they want to S&T him later, of if they have Bonner+filler in their payroll, they won't have the money to sign Kevin Martin.
Right now, a Kirilenko S&T isn't dead. It will be when Minny will officially sign Kevin Martin.
One can hope Minny will have today a last minute change of heart because, if Denver stick with refusing a Brewer S&T, a Kirilenko/Martin S&T is the only way for Minny to also get Brewer.
I just want the Spurs to get in there somewhere.
That said, given how Spurs offseason news is only leaked once the contracts have been agreed upon, I'd bet we'll be getting a Woj-bomb or two within the next 24 hours.
Yeah otherwise it would be like a team signing its own FA and then not having enough money to get the wanted outside FA.
Wait, I remember some team just doing just that down there in texas.
Some of the Wolves blogs suggest that Minny is trying to get Brewer with the room exception after signing Martin with straight cap space instead of S&T. Good luck with that.
Taking a fully guaranteed Bonner would be difficult for Minny because it would likely put them in luxury tax territory given what they still want to do (Brewer and Pekovic). I can only see a S&T for Kirilenko is Bonner's contract is still about $1M guaranteed.
And it would just be so great if McDonald is wrong on Pendergraph's contract. His source could have said him $2M and he take it like $2M per year while it was $2M total. A 2 years min contract is about $2M total.
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