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    If you really cared about supporting small business you would not be there defending WalMart
    I support all kinds of business actually.


    I own a business myself, and sympathize with any business owner.

    I should have paraphrased that better I apologize.

    Talking out of my ass??

    uh okie doke.

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    If you won't click on the link... I deleted about half of this article for brevity...


    Behind this manufactured cheerfulness, however, is the fact that the average employee makes only $15,000 a year for full-time work. Most are denied even this poverty income, for they're held to part-time work. While the company brags that 70 percent of its workers are full-time, at Wal-Mart "full time" is 28 hours a week, meaning they gross less than $11,000 a year.

    Health-care benefits? Only if you've been there two years; then the plan hits you with such huge premiums that few can afford it--only 38 percent of Wal-Marters are covered.

    Thinking union? Get outta here! "Wal-Mart is opposed to unionization," reads a company guidebook for supervisors. "You, as a manager, are expected to support the company's position. ... This may mean walking a tightrope between legitimate campaigning and improper conduct."

    Wal-Mart is an unrepentant and recidivist violator of employee rights, drawing repeated convictions, fines, and the ire of judges from coast to coast. For example, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has had to file more suits against the Bentonville billionaires club for cases of disability discrimination than any other corporation. A top EEOC lawyer told Business Week, "I have never seen this kind of blatant disregard for the law."

    Likewise, a national class-action suit reveals an astonishing pattern of sexual discrimination at Wal-Mart (where 72 percent of the salespeople are women), charging that there is "a harsh, anti-woman culture in which complaints go unanswered and the women who make them are targeted for retaliation."

    As Charlie Kernaghan of the National Labor Committee reports, "In country after country, factories that produce for Wal-Mart are the worst," adding that the bottom-feeding labor policy of this one corporation "is actually lowering standards in China, slashing wages and benefits, imposing long mandatory-overtime shifts, while tolerating the arbitrary firing of workers who even dare to discuss factory conditions."

    Wal-Mart does not want the U.S. buying public to know that its famous low prices are the product of human misery, so while it loudly proclaims that its global suppliers must comply with a corporate "code of conduct" to treat workers decently, it strictly prohibits the disclosure of any factory names and addresses, hoping to keep independent sources from witnessing the "code" in operation.

    The work is literally sickening, since there's no health and safety enforcement. Workers have constant headaches and nausea from paint-dust hanging in the air; the indoor temperature tops 100 degrees; protective clothing is a joke; repe ive stress disorders are rampant; and there's no training on the health hazards of handling the plastics, glue, paint thinners, and other solvents in which these workers are immersed every day.

    As for Wal-Mart's highly vaunted "code of conduct," NLC could not find a single worker who had ever seen or heard of it.

    Of course, among the unnecessaries to him are the use of union labor and producing goods in America, and Scott is unabashed about pointing in the direction of China or other places for abysmally low production costs. He doesn't even have to say "Move to China"--his purchasing executives demand such an impossible lowball price from suppliers that they can only meet it if they follow Wal-Mart's labor example. With its dominance over its own 1.2 million workers and 65,000 suppliers, plus its alliances with ruthless labor abusers abroad, this one company is the world's most powerful private force for lowering labor standards and stifling the middle-class aspirations of workers everywhere.

    But, say apologists for these Big-Box megastores, at least they're creating jobs. Wrong. By crushing local businesses, this giant eliminates three decent jobs for every two Wal-Mart jobs that it creates--and a store full of part-time, poorly paid employees hardly builds the family wealth necessary to sustain a community's middle-class living standard.
    I personally believe it's time American businesses, if they insist on using overseas labor, hold themselves to a certain standard and provide clean working conditions and decent pay for the people supplying their merchandise. It's one thing to play dumb and not spend the extra money to rise above the local standards, but it's quite another when people in China and Bangladesh think your labor practices suck.

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    hey tpark, do you own your own business? thanks.

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    Are there any independent studies that disagree?

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    Wal-Mart’s underhanded union-busting tactics
    They dont want to deal witha union, what a horrible thing.


    But once again, the quotes Manny uses, the writer of the quotes seems to have a slant of view so, take that for what its worth.

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    But yet, the majority of workers in the wal mart on millitary drive, are women.


    Such horrible working conditions for women at Wal Mart, yet women keep going there to work.

    go fig.
    Are the majority of workers in the walmart on Military Drive managers?

    Of course walmart will hire women to do the stock work - but there are very few of them in positions of authority. Many of the people working on the floor at Walmart are part-time as well, so that Walmart will not have to give them benefits. It's notoriously difficult for anyone to get a full-time position there. I've known people that have worked there (and other retail mega-companies) that have been worked 39 hours a week just so they don't have access to benefits.

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    Im sure there are Kris, but you won't seem them posted too soon.

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    Then the Chinese would make something like it, but better, and cheaper.
    Um, cheaper, maybe. You go ahead and get the made in China air tank, I'm sure that they inspected the welds on it just like they checked all the tapped holes in the gigantic cast iron mill roller that I just got.

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    In my experience, I would say Wal-Mart is the most diversified store I have ever been to - not only racially but they hire a lot of disabled people, the likes of which I have not seen since the smaller scale Albertson's at West Avenue and Blanco.

    And older people who need to suppliment their income or just need something to do. Good point.


    And maybe they pissed in my water and I can't buy my porn there, as well as beat and harrassed me in the break room.....I'll still go there, because I hate having to go to multiple places for when I can find them in one.

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    Europe? Last time I checked, fried rice came from Europe.



    Kris, there are independent studies that have been conducted as well.
    Sorry Manny, but I'm not sad that Walmart is not providing health care for people who earn 16 cents an hour in China. I agree they should follow whatever laws of the country they reside in, but complaining about that is ridiculously extreme.

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    Of course walmart will hire women to do the stock work - but there are very few of them in positions of authority. Many of the people working on the floor at Walmart are part-time as well, so that Walmart will not have to give them benefits. It's notoriously difficult for anyone to get a full-time position there. I've known people that have worked there (and other retail mega-companies) that have been worked 39 hours a week just so they don't have access to benefits.

    Should they hire just men to work the stock??

    Just curious.

    Why is it Wal Mart's responsibility to work a certian person more hours so they get free medical??

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    They dont want to deal witha union, what a horrible thing.


    But once again, the quotes Manny uses, the writer of the quotes seems to have a slant of view so, take that for what its worth.
    So what the Tpark. Am I supposed to accept the things I do not agree with or is it OKAY if I want to boycott them?

    If you think all of that is ok, then by all means, shop there!

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    And older people who need to suppliment their income or just need something to do.
    Come on SDub, I said it, give me a little credit at least!!

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    Am I supposed to accept the things I do not agree with or is it OKAY if I want to boycott them
    Its okay if you want to.


    I just dont like how everyone paints them to be this "evil" company.

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    Are there any independent studies that disagree?
    To be quiet honest, I'm not sure. I've read a ton of studies on WalMart, and they've all detailed the negative effects of the stores. I'd be more than happy to read any on the positive aspects if anyone would like to provide them.

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    Its okay if you want to.


    I just dont like how everyone paints them to be this "evil" company.
    Uh, maybe the things detailed above?

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    Walmart delivers what it's customers want. If they are operating illegally then prove it in a court of law. This thread reminds me of that movie, "PCU".

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    Should they hire just men to work the stock??

    Just curious.

    Why is it Wal Mart's responsibility to work a certian person more hours so they get free medical??


    This is why I didn't want to get into this.

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    I'm sure that they inspected the welds on it just like they checked all the tapped holes in the gigantic cast iron mill roller that I just got
    Miller Welders??

    I have a Bobcat, too.


    Im talking about stuff you buy in Wal Mart, not something industrial like that sir.

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    To be quiet honest, I'm not sure. I've read a ton of studies on WalMart, and they've all detailed the negative effects of the stores. I'd be more than happy to read any on the positive aspects if anyone would like to provide them.
    Is the first post of this thread a positive story?

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    Should they hire just men to work the stock??

    Just curious.

    Why is it Wal Mart's responsibility to work a certian person more hours so they get free medical??
    Okay, where did I say that they should just hire men for stock. You seem to be missing my point that the problem that there are far fewer women in management and other authoritative positions than men. I'm saying that they're willing to hire women to do menial work while avoiding hiring them for more important work - which is wrong.

    And do you not see something wrong with a company consistently working part-time employees only an hour less than full time employees who do receive benefits?

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    What did I say that was wrong??


    Why is it Wal Mart's responsibility to work a certian person more hours so they get free medical??
    Legit question BTW.

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    Sorry Manny, but I'm not sad that Walmart is not providing health care for people who earn 16 cents an hour in China. I agree they should follow whatever laws of the country they reside in, but complaining about that is ridiculously extreme.
    Why is it extreme that I don't like buying products made in conditions that are illegal in this country? Holding a standard is ridiculously extreme?

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    And do you not see something wrong with a company consistently working part-time employees only an hour less than full time employees who do receive benefits
    Do you know how much it would cost a company like Wal Mart, if they added that 1 hour to all those people for health care?

    WHO CARES!!!!

    The money grows on trees.

    To be honest, once again, why should Walmart, have to DO that??

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