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So does a city's code enforcement department
This is key.
If the majority of people who were in HOA controlled houses didn't want those enforced standards, there would be an exodus of selling, and prices will drop. Rarely see that happen now...
Once again. HOA's keep the Riff Raff like Fuzzy et. al. out, or at least controlled.
So does a city's code enforcement department
Semantics.
A mandatory HOA is still mandatory for the individual property owner.
I'm two hours from the mountains, 30 minutes from the Gulf and two hours from the Atlantic ocean... if I fly.
If you can get someone to show up TO vote.
I'd say this was a cool story but it's not. How on Earth do you get off speaking for anyone else? It's bad enough that you are stupid but when you double down with bull it is that much worse.
You're the expert at such things. You don't know?
I just pay voluntary fees and the people in charge do attempt to keep things nice. They send accounting figures out to everyone, even if they do not volunteer payment and don't have to "join". The HOA members who keep everyone informed have the time I guess. If our small neighborhood gets graffiti, I usually take care of it quickly with many thanks. My small part, does not happen often.
Just like any sort of authority intended to do good, things can get out of hand. Bigger neighborhoods seem to have more of a problem in my experience. And clearly some of these folks mentioned in the more bizarre cases have an authority problem.
We also have a cop associated with our neighborhood. He stops by the neighborhood picnics to say o. HOAs do not by there very nature, have to be bad. They are small week "governments" . Surprising to see WC arguing for them. I thought it was everyman for himself...
I make it a point to not talk for others. When I feel that I do I qualify it as such. Do you ever stop making up?
i think HOAs are a decent concept. you want to have rules and regs as far as property upkeep so you don't have slobs move into your nice neighborhood, not take care of , and drive everyones property value down.
otoh, as far as these places like sun city go, it's just scary to me what those pieces of do as far as shaking down their own residents for money. shady tbh, they need to be checked.
Decent concept, yeah, but in practice the laws have been written to benefit developers at the expense of homeowners. That is rife for abuse in practice.
HOAs are for-profit operations is all I need to know.
Yeah, that's a big problem.
As I undetstand it thus far, there are some 501c non profit HOAs. However, most are FS 617, not for profit orgs which allow them to seek avenues of revenues external to fees. My brothrer's HOA owns a convenience store thats located at the entrance to his subdivision.
cha-ching
I agree on part of that, but it's like the mob back in the day when they'd charge shop owners for protection. That's all it amounts to, and if you don't pay, you get a fine or you cannot live there.
I can see it in really affluent subdivisions where the grounds are well kept, but hole neighborhoods with a facade for an entrance and a pool shared by 4 different subdivisions... that's a scam. I know a guy who lives in that scenario, and though the HOA is basically toothless, it costs him money and every summer the pool is full of people who don't live in the subdivision because there's no supervision. It's just welfare on a micro level.
So then, if the majority of people didn't like the traffic jams or high toll fees, they'd have an "exodus of selling" of their cars. That's not happened.
Foreclosures by Homeowners’ Associations Rising as Their Financial Condition Worsens
They aren’t just a way to pay for common services in multi-family housing; they are increasingly an example of privatization of formerly public services. As a new Reuters story explains:
Homeowner associations first took off in the 1970s as local governments looked for a way to offload costly services, such as snow removal and road repair. Municipalities have encouraged their growth since through tax incentives and zoning laws…
But people who buy houses in an association often don’t bother to read the agreements that spell out what covenants owners are obliged to observe. They may unknowingly forfeit the right to fly a flag in the front yard, let a shrub grow any old size, or allow their kids to shoot hoops in the driveway. Homeowner associations typically have the right to place liens against wayward residents. Either through a court or state-regulated process, they can then foreclose on houses worth hundreds of thousands of dollars even for a few hundred dollars of unpaid debt, much like a municipality can for unpaid property taxes or a bank for a few missed mortgage payments.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/...+capitalism%29
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