I know I'm not the only one that gets annoyed by the Parker dribble dribble dribble

[ElNono]

Diego...libre dans sa tete... with the ty come back per par

Brazil shooting the messenger, per par...

[ElNono]

Because Magic Johnson, Isaiah Thomas and Chauncey Billups never won anything.

Different era, tbh

[barbacoataco]

Parker is the best PG in NBA. All the haters on this board complain about Parker coasting on defense, but since when do CP3 or Curry play any defense in the regular season? Sometimes fans are overly critical of their own players because they watch every game and see every fault. The fact is the other PG's that are supposedly better than Parker have never done anything in the playoffs when it mattered. And every time TP has faced them in the playoffs he has held his own or got the better of it. Spurs fans need to stop complaining and start appreciating.

[wildchild]

As is known, the biggest problem with the score first players is when they're having a bad game, that me-me-shot could be a nightmare, because they don't know when pass or how pass the ball.
But I don't forget we won 3 rings with Tony so trust him even if he isn't a true playmaker.

[Brazil]

Brazil shooting the messenger, per par...

messenger like it was not meant to be a rock in TP's garden

Argie fans still in the CoP CoM stuff

[Brazil]

But I don't forget we won 3 rings with Tony so trust him even if he isn't a true playmaker.

lol at parker not being a true playmaker. He is one of best on hockey assist, he globally sees the game two steps ahead that's for me a playmaker.

but I let Chinook do the dirty job to teach damn fools...

[wildchild]

lol at parker not being a true playmaker. He is one of best on hockey assist, he globally sees the game two steps ahead that's for me a playmaker.

but I let Chinook do the dirty job to teach damn fools...

Good for you!
But as long as this continues to be NBA and not NHL...that isn't a playmaker.

[tp2021]

Good for you!
But as long as this continues to be NBA and not NHL...that isn't a playmaker.

That's like arguing Camby deserved the DPOY over Tim just because he had more blocks. Simple stats don't tell the whole story.

[Brazil]

Good for you!
But as long as this continues to be NBA and not NHL...that isn't a playmaker.

like because a stat isn't really followed like NHL it means it is not important, gtfo

[Mel_13]

Ok. Spurs system, hockey assist, granted. But all these things explain why most of the time Tony takes the shot himself while Manu -just for example- decides to assist?

Sorry guys, beyond the systems, styles, however, a playmaker is a playmaker.
Tony isn't Nash, Kidd, Kevin Johnson or Stockton, he doesn't have their passing skills or court vision.

Obviously he's a great/amazing scorer, our best offensive player, and I'm so glad he's a Spur. But despite how excel he can be in other areas of the game, he isn't a true playmaker.

That first part is simply not true.

The second part refers to players with a combined 69 seasons in the NBA and only one championship. Hardly an endorsement for "true" playmakers.

Good for you!
But as long as this continues to be NBA and not NHL...that isn't a playmaker.

Could you provide a link to the NBA's definition of a playmaker?

[Mikeanaro]

I think this is a good topic for the offseason, but now we dont even have secured the 1st spot lol we could pull an Indy that worries me more than the Manu-Tony debate.

[wildchild]

That's like arguing Camby deserved the DPOY over Tim just because he had more blocks. Simple stats don't tell the whole story.

I'm not a big fan of the stats. Not talking about stats, defense, leadership, or something like that.

The second part refers to players with a combined 69 seasons in the NBA and only one championship. Hardly an endorsement for "true" playmakers.

They weren't great, maybe the best PGs of NBA (with Isiah and Magic off course) because they didn't win a ring?

Could you provide a link to the NBA's definition of a playmaker?

Try to make one?
Like for Brazil is a NHL guy playing NBA games for me is a player who creates offense through a combination of scoring and facilitating while maintaining efficiency.
He could be or not a great scorer but really needs to be a great passer and high vision court guy.
If he can't pass, doesn't have the ability to make the good pass, doesn't find the open guy, doesn't recognize the favourable teammates matchups, well he isn't a true playmaker.

[Embedded]

Man, your basketball opinions are so much more valuable and insightful because your username is black. I long for the day where I'm no longer a grey user whose opinion is invalidated because I haven't spent as much time on this forum

Translation: Black people know more about basketball.

[Kabals]

One thing I don't understand in this forum is Parker get bashed for not being a true playmaker but they are also bashing "true" playmaker.
Kendall Marshall / Steve Nash "lol D Antoni system"
Chris Paul "defer to Pargo "
Rubio and Rondo "stats padder assist "

[ElNono]

messenger like it was not meant to be a rock in TP's garden

pretty telling you think that's a rock in TP's garden...

Funny though, the messenger didn't put it there... Tony did.

[ElNono]

One thing I don't understand in this forum is Parker get bashed for not being a true playmaker but they are also bashing "true" playmaker.
Kendall Marshall / Steve Nash "lol D Antoni system"
Chris Paul "defer to Pargo "
Rubio and Rondo "stats padder assist "

This is closer to where's it's at... Tony is a different player. Extremely successful in a different role.

[Mel_13]

They weren't great, maybe the best PGs of NBA (with Isiah and Magic off course) because they didn't win a ring?

I didn't say or suggest any such thing.

If he can't pass, doesn't have the ability to make the good pass, doesn't find the open guy, doesn't recognize the favourable teammates matchups, well he isn't a true playmaker.

So, by your own definition, Tony is a playmaker.

[wildchild]

So, by your own definition, Tony is a playmaker.

No. He's better known as a scorer than a great passer.
He can recognize the favourable teammate matchup? Maybe, but not very often.

[Mel_13]

No. He's better known as a scorer than a great passer.
He can recognize the favourable teammate matchup? Maybe, but not very often.

So, by your own definition in post #117 , Tony is a playmaker. Unless you're just going to continue to adjust your own terms.

[wildchild]

So, by your own definition in post #117 , Tony is a playmaker. Unless you're just going to continue to adjust your own terms.

That's not true and don't adjust anything.

[Mel_13]

That's not true and don't adjust anything.

OK, but we can still see your post.

[Brazil]

pretty telling you think that's a rock in TP's garden...

Funny though, the messenger didn't put it there... Tony did.

I said it was meant to be, I never say it's a rock in TP's garden

I'm sure Pop is fine with TP's playmaking ability like should be spurs fans in general.

This team is one of the most efficient team to create open shots all over the floor, that would be quite funny to think that the guy who has the most the ball in his hands and runs this famous offense is not a key part of what the Spurs are doing tbh

but yeah assists count

We should trade TP for Rondo, it would be the end of the Spurs system as we know but Spurs fans would be happy to have guys stat padding 10+ assists per game

[look_at_g_shred]

I said it was meant to be, I never say it's a rock in TP's garden

I'm sure Pop is fine with TP's playmaking ability like should be spurs fans in general.

This team is one of the most efficient team to create open shots all over the floor, that would be quite funny to think that the guy who has the most the ball in his hands and runs this famous offense is not a key part of what the Spurs are doing tbh

but yeah assists count

We should trade TP for Rondo, it would be the end of the Spurs system as we know but Spurs fans would be happy to have guys stat padding 10+ assists per game

I know i'm not the only one that gets annoyed by Rondo always passing.

[wildchild]

OK, but we can still see your post.

Post #117
"Try to make one?
Like for Brazil is a NHL guy playing NBA games for me is a player who creates offense through a combination of scoring and facilitating while maintaining efficiency.
He could be or not a great scorer but really needs to be a great passer and high vision court guy.
If he can't pass, doesn't have the ability to make the good pass, doesn't find the open guy, doesn't recognize the favourable teammates matchups, well he isn't a true playmaker."

Sorry but when I said Tony's a great passer or he's willing to share the ball, have the ability to make the good pass, can find the open guy...? In fact, I said practically the opposite of that.

[Mel_13]

Post #117
"Try to make one?
Like for Brazil is a NHL guy playing NBA games for me is a player who creates offense through a combination of scoring and facilitating while maintaining efficiency.
He could be or not a great scorer but really needs to be a great passer and high vision court guy.
If he can't pass, doesn't have the ability to make the good pass, doesn't find the open guy, doesn't recognize the favourable teammates matchups, well he isn't a true playmaker."

Sorry but when I said Tony's a great passer or he's willing to share the ball, have the ability to make the good pass, can find the open guy...? In fact, I said practically the opposite of that.

So your final position is that Tony:

1. is unwilling to share the ball
2. does not have the ability to make the good pass
3. can't find the open guy

Are you sure you want to stand on that position?