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    Other States will learn from Colorado's mistakes.
    Perhaps but the anti legalization crowd is pretty powerful nationally. They aren't going to distinguish between edibles and pot in their propaganda. I wouldn't be so confident that politicians in other states or are at the national level will be willing to risk supporting legalization if Colorado screws this up.

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    Perhaps but the anti legalization crowd is pretty powerful nationally. They aren't going to distinguish between edibles and pot in their propaganda. I wouldn't be so confident that politicians in other states or are at the national level will be willing to risk supporting legalization if Colorado screws this up.
    You're paranoid. Maybe you should lay off the grass...

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    Perhaps but the anti legalization crowd is pretty powerful nationally. They aren't going to distinguish between edibles and pot in their propaganda. I wouldn't be so confident that politicians in other states or are at the national level will be willing to risk supporting legalization if Colorado screws this up.
    Its hard to tell. I just know Texas will keep the beer, jeans and redneck for a while. No self respecting redneck is gonna want that hippie ass weed. It's a cultural decision as much as it is about making mistakes imo. If you have dip and Wild Turkey there is no need for any other plant product. Damn sissy drug,
    This drug use goes through cycles as well. Nicotine from Pipes is not cool right now but females smoking that fat cigar like an old white guy is.

    California has to be full ahead. Watch and wait. In the long run I think it's here to stay.

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    You're paranoid. Maybe you should lay off the grass...
    Its better than him getting drunk and wanting to fight everyone.

    I prefer the laid back weed druggie, as opposed to the sloppy, up chuck, ethanol druggie.

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    Story reminds me of this.


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    You're paranoid. Maybe you should lay off the grass...
    I am on this topic but it's not from smoking weed. Stopped liking it 20 years ago. I'd like to see marijuana legalized nationally or at a minimum decriminalized. It was the topic of my senior research paper in high school 29 years ago. The pro pot crowd has always been good at screwing themselves.

    There's a good show on cnbc tomorrow night called Colorado Pot Rush.

    Here's a segment on one of the 'potrepreneurs'
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101445550

    These people aren't trying to sell pot to pot smokers, they want to expand the market and edibles is the way to do that. The green they're after isn't pot and I won't be shocked if they take down the whole legalization effort in their quest to get the green. It's not just wall street that does dumb things chasing money.

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    The pro pot crowd is a lot bigger than 29 years ago when weed was supposed to make you grow an extra arm to shoot heroin into. This is not that generation.

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    You still think the topic is a black dude that jumped off a balcony, it's not. No one has talked about repealing the law (legalization). I can't think of a regular poster who doesn't support legalization, including myself.








    Let's try again since I am interested in others thoughts. Hopefully this is simple enough for people to grasp (excluding Fuzzy, he'll never get past the black guy jumping off the balcony)......

    Do YOU THINK that Colorado has made any mistakes in implementing the legalization of marijuana that could be detrimental to advancing the legalization of marijuana OR do you think it is a model that other states will be encouraged to follow as well as leading to legalization at the federal level.

    I THINK it was a mistake to legalize edibles for various reasons that have been mentioned and are discuss in the posted articles. I don't know how to fix the edibles issues once the mistake of legalizing them has been made, too much money at stake. I don't THINK a label that says "Don't get too high" and another that says "Children this is a tasty and delicious but don't eat it" will suffice.

    I THINK the excessive taxes levied against marijuana is also a mistake. In theory lowering the taxes to make illegal sales less attractive is a simple fix but politically lowering taxes is far more difficult than raising them once local governments become dependent on those revenues.

    I THINK both of these mistakes can possibly hinder future legalization efforts.
    So you want to ban hash oil. That's nice. Now what bad things have happened due to people eating hash oil products?

    We will go back to the same thing. What fatalities or public health risks are there regarding eating 'edibles' do you have for us? Apparently the OP and post #14 do not have any. We are still waiting.

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    http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25...al-3-2-million

    Colorado marijuana tax revenues total $3.2 million in February

    Tax revenues from Colorado's sales of medical and recreational marijuana in February increased from the previous month, according to figures released Wednesday by the state.


    Colorado collected $3.2 million in February, below the state's projection of $3.7 million but slightly above above the $2.9 million it gathered in January.


    In February, Colorado collected $1.43 million from a special 10 percent sales tax on recreational marijuana, plus another $438,253 from the state's standard 2.9 percent sales tax.


    The 2.9 percent sales tax on medical marijuana produced revenues of $1.02 million in February, an increase from the $913,519 collected in January and far above the $791,000 the state had projected in February.


    Conversely, the state projected that the 15 percent excise tax on the sale of recreational marijuana would bring in $739,330 — the actual total was $339,615, 54 percent below expectations. The 15 percent excise tax produced $195,318 in January.


    As was the case in January, Denver County generated the largest amount of tax revenue, with the 2.9 percent sales tax on medical marijuana totaling $483,432. The 2.9 percent tax on recreational pot brought in $245,709, with the 10 percent sales tax adding another $710,930.


    Just a few months into the first year of legalized recreational marijuana sales, finding certainty when it comes to pot revenues has proved to be elusive. In February, Gov. John Hickenlooper's budget office predicted tax and fee revenues from marijuana would total about $134 million in the next fiscal year; however, a month later, the state's Legislative Council said the total would be half as much.


    The legislature's Joint Budget Committee on Tuesday pledged to craft a bill that would force the state to wait until it had actual figures before spending the revenues from marijuana.


    Natalie Mullis, chief economist for the Legislative Council, which provides the state with its revenue forecasts, said future revenues remain uncertain.


    "It's impossible to know, based on these first two months, how much revenue they'll be in the future," she said. "This isn't representative of what revenues they'll be a year, or even six months from now,"






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    So you want to ban hash oil. That's nice. Now what bad things have happened due to people eating hash oil products?

    We will go back to the same thing. What fatalities or public health risks are there regarding eating 'edibles' do you have for us? Apparently the OP and post #14 do not have any. We are still waiting.
    (excluding Fuzzy, he'll never get past the black guy jumping off the balcony)

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    So snakeboy has nothing.

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    The argument hinges entirely on education, not necessarily on regulation, IMO. If you educate people about the dangers of edibles, then people, acting in their best interest, will know they shouldn't overdo them

    You will always have the idiots that think they're invincible and will eventually do stupid things, but you can't cure or regulate stupid.

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    if somebody is actually bent on going crazy with edibles, i doubt legality will stop them anyway. like nono said, if people are educated and learn the dangers of this , they can make well informed decisions, legal or not.

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    So snakeboy has nothing.
    I've already given my take.

    pgardn thinks I'm wrong and things will work themselves out in Colorado. Legit take and I hope he's right.

    El Nono just gave his take.

    I didn't exclude chump even though nipping at people's heels is his schtick, he is capable of giving his own take on the rare occasion he's willing to.

    I specifically excluded you fuzzy because you never have your own take on anything. All you can ever do is nip at people's heels or regurgitate someone else's opinion as your own. So what's it going to be fuzzy, are you going to claim pgardn's take or El Nono's take as your own. Or are you still waiting for someone to tell you what you think.

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    How many in this thread have actually tried edibles?
    me, and unless you have had the edible in question before there is little way to judge it's potency. Even then, it's hard to judge for a newbie.

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    Moreso then the potency is the labeling, kids being what they are. That type of regulation is done by the FDA and the department of health and human services. They need to change the scheduling of the drug and treat it like caffeine and an age limit.

    if not then the state needs to get involved and create their own ins utions modeled after the FDA. Merge them with the vice agencies like TABC here in Texas. There are easy tried and true solutions for these issues.

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    Other States will learn from Colorado's mistakes.

    What the am I reading, the le of the OP and the first remarks indicate you have changed the path of this discussion.
    Yup, I believe they label edibles in Cali, but I am not sure how accurate that process is. There will be hiccups but it became legal not even 6 months ago, of course they don't have the ins and outs down pat yet. Also, this kid wasn't of legal age in the first place, was he? AFAIK it's 21 to buy pot in CO.

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    Here Fuzzy, I found your opinion for you...
    http://www.alternet.org/drugs/one-de...-education-and

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    Lol "I love you Alice B. Toklas"

    I haven't seen that movie in forever.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/marijua...ry?id=22350866

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    What opinion. I told you that the regulations that they were putting in appeared to be modeled after what the FDA does and as such I was fine with it.

    You have repeatedly said 'bad stuff' is going to happen and I will again ask you for an example. I await for you once again to say that I don not have a take as if that makes any difference either way to begin with. You are either really stupid or trolling. You said before that you weren't trolling so I will bow to your wisdom.

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    I would like to add while snakeboy is determined to try and pigeonhole the debate into his insipid bull , the national discussion as well as the discussion in Colorado. The concern is about insects and mold and not about crime and death. These are things that are easily handled by food safety measures that have been used for over a century.

    The frantic reefer madness stupidity is snakeboys own.

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    I would like to add while snakeboy is determined to try and pigeonhole the debate into his insipid bull , the national discussion as well as the discussion in Colorado. The concern is about insects and mold and not about crime and death. These are things that are easily handled by food safety measures that have been used for over a century.

    The frantic reefer madness stupidity is snakeboys own.
    I'm not pigeonholing anything. I asked for opinions on how to best implement legalization in a way that leads to further legalization in other states. I gave my opinion, you don't have one. All you can do is argue the details of a particular case or pretend that nothing bad can happen from marketing edibles to first time users.

    More headlines from Colorado...

    Richard Kirk Ate Pot Candy Before Killing Wife Kristine Kirk in Denver
    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/6273...irk-in-denver/

    Denver man consumed edible pot before killing wife, police suspect
    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...#ixzz2zGB4aTAi

    Two Denver deaths tied to recreational marijuana use
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/two-denv...marijuana-use/

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    Expensive lessons.

    But there's. No limit on much more pathogenic alcohol and many die from alcohol poisoning and alcohol enabled crimes which for some reason doesn't get. Mentioned here by right. Wingers

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    I'm not pigeonholing anything. I asked for opinions on how to best implement legalization in a way that leads to further legalization in other states. I gave my opinion, you don't have one. All you can do is argue the details of a particular case or pretend that nothing bad can happen from marketing edibles to first time users.

    More headlines from Colorado...

    Richard Kirk Ate Pot Candy Before Killing Wife Kristine Kirk in Denver
    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/6273...irk-in-denver/

    Denver man consumed edible pot before killing wife, police suspect
    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...#ixzz2zGB4aTAi

    Two Denver deaths tied to recreational marijuana use
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/two-denv...marijuana-use/
    You going to be like Darrin and climate and leave for a week for other trolls after you are refuted until another anecdote comes to light?

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    Pot Smoke And Mirrors: Vaporizer Pens Hide Marijuana Use



    Most vape pens don't actually vaporize the marijuana plant. They're loaded with marijuana concentrates or "hash oil:" a viscous, yellow resin chemically extracted from the plant. In many places, that extraction often occurs in somebody's kitchen — which can be explosive and dangerous.

    And the concentrates can be strong. Really, really strong. Marijuana leaves can contain up to about 20 percent THC, the psychoactive chemical that makes you feel high. But the concentrates can contain up to 90 percent THC. Esquibel says she almost fainted when she tried her first hit.

    Those high THC levels worry Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization to Reform Marijuana Laws, a nonprofit lobbying group working to broadly legalize marijuana use.


    "Between the fact that you can potentially pass out with a single inhalation, or you can have such property damage and potential bodily harm just producing it ... these [issues of the vape pen] definitely need to be addressed," he says. "This is a screaming call for regulation if there ever was one."

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014...m_campaign=app



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