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    Today's Sydney Morning Herald ran a story about Patty and Exum playing in the World Championships this summer. Maybe ST knows more than the Boomer's coach does?

    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/basketba...624-zsk7m.html
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    Most likely spurs will do good by him and give him a good contract, 3-4 million a year. Heavily insured.

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    Yep, nothing but overreaction and fear mongering, right guys?
    Yeah. They were shooting the messengers a week ago.

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    Props to OP for breaking the news 1 week before it became official.

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    Although different cir stances (injury vs looming lockout), this reminds of the TP situation. I think the Spurs and Patty will find a happy medium and get a deal done that reflects reality but also takes care of Patty.
    I agree. Spurs take care of their own. I think 16/4 or 12/3 makes sense, whereas before the injury he might've gotten around 20/4.

    Great take, as per usual.
    Yes, and I stand by it. It's a rotator cuff, not a career ending injury. He'll be back in January. Where is the disaster?

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    Yes, and I stand by it. It's a rotator cuff, not a career ending injury. He'll be back in January. Where is the disaster?[/QUOTE]

    The prediction is for January-March. The prediction was for Dec/Jan, and you were calling it an over-reaction. You now predict January, a week later, when it's reported as January-March, and you're NOT over-reacting. You see no disconnect, there, right?

    Then, you fabricate a straw man, that it is not "career ending", as if anyone was saying it was career ending?

    It will cost him money, probably. Personally, bad for him. And all of the ripples that it will cause through the 1-2 guards (Bad for us, loss of continuity, 7 months of lost further development by Patty in the system, need for him to get back into shape and rythm before April, having to figure out replacement options with dwindling roster spot availability, etc. - we can survive these things but they are not optimal.) spots are now being speculated about in a fervor, rightly so, as that is 2/3 of the season that will be missed. Bad for us. The only positive thing about it is that we can be happy that we will have to pay him less, now, albeit without his services. That's what you call a Pyrrhic Victory.

    Not only was it NOT an over-reaction, but the discussion was pretty much spot on. I don't expect you to concede any of these obvious points, though. I'm cool.

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    Props to OP for breaking the news 1 week before it became official.
    Agreed.

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    I feel a little sad for him, but he will still become a millionaire, and he will still stay in the NBA, and most importantly on the Spurs, so I am not that sorry for him, I am more relieved than anything, he'll be back before we know it.

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    I feel a little sad for him, but he will still become a millionaire, and he will still stay in the NBA, and most importantly on the Spurs, so I am not that sorry for him, I am more relieved than anything, he'll be back before we know it.
    Being a mere "millionaire" is nothing in this day and age. It's upper middle class at best. My liquid net worth (and total if including primary residence) is higher than Patty's total career earnings (according to basketball reference and assuming he's never had any other sources of income) and I can assure you I don't feel rich. , if that's all Patty has earned in his lifetime his net worth is ~75% of his total B-R career earnings at best assuming $0 expenses (and roughly assuming an effective federal income tax rate of 25%+, though it's probably closer to 30%). In actuality, his net worth is still lower than even 75% of his career earnings given that he has to, you know, use money to live. I absolutely feel sympathy for Patty Mills. He's hasn't earned a truly substantial amount of money in the NBA yet - certainly not a sum that could perpetuate even an upper middle class lifestyle in perpetuity.

    Being a "millionaire" in this day and age holds little clout. I've known people earning as little as $60k or $70k/year eventually becoming millionaires by retirement age and they're forced to live a frugal lifestyle because $1M generates maybe $20,000 or $25,000/year in investment income (assuming you don't want to eat into the principal). $10M is the new "million" in modern times.

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    Being a mere "millionaire" is nothing in this day and age. It's upper middle class at best. My liquid net worth (and total if including primary residence) is higher than Patty's total career earnings (according to basketball reference and assuming he's never had any other sources of income) and I can assure you I don't feel rich. , if that's all Patty has earned in his lifetime his net worth is ~75% of his total B-R career earnings at best assuming $0 expenses (and roughly assuming an effective federal income tax rate of 25%+, though it's probably closer to 30%). In actuality, his net worth is still lower than even 75% of his career earnings given that he has to, you know, use money to live. I absolutely feel sympathy for Patty Mills. He's hasn't earned a truly substantial amount of money in the NBA yet - certainly not a sum that could perpetuate even an upper middle class lifestyle in perpetuity.

    Being a "millionaire" in this day and age holds little clout. I've known people earning as little as $60k or $70k/year eventually becoming millionaires by retirement age and they're forced to live a frugal lifestyle because $1M generates maybe $20,000 or $25,000/year in investment income (assuming you don't want to eat into the principal). $10M is the new "million" in modern times.
    More that has changed is the meaning of a frugal lifesyle and what it means to most to be rich. If your net worth is 3.6 million dollars (Mills' career earnings) you're definitely if the top few percentile of the population when it comes to wealth...if you sold all of your assets and lived a truly frugal lifestyle, you would never consume all your wealth with your stated $25k annual income. Everything is relative, but you are in the top 1%/5% (individual vs. family of 4) of the wealthy in the US. What has changed is that the people in the top 1%/5% feel as if they are "middle class at best". You're a really smart guy and I like reading your posts. But, you're looking at things a little askew. If you have amassed that kind of wealth, you're doing great. You may rub elbows with other wealthy people that skews your opinion of your prosperity. Comparing yourself, globally, I'm sure you'll do even better.

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    Damn towel waving probally wrecked his shoulder.I dare anyone here to go to your bathroom/closet and get a towel and start waving it in a cycling motion.I bet your shoulder feels discomfort.

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    The prediction is for January-March. The prediction was for Dec/Jan, and you were calling it an over-reaction. You now predict January, a week later, when it's reported as January-March, and you're NOT over-reacting. You see no disconnect, there, right?

    Then, you fabricate a straw man, that it is not "career ending", as if anyone was saying it was career ending?

    It will cost him money, probably. Personally, bad for him. And all of the ripples that it will cause through the 1-2 guards (Bad for us, loss of continuity, 7 months of lost further development by Patty in the system, need for him to get back into shape and rythm before April, having to figure out replacement options with dwindling roster spot availability, etc. - we can survive these things but they are not optimal.) spots are now being speculated about in a fervor, rightly so, as that is 2/3 of the season that will be missed. Bad for us. The only positive thing about it is that we can be happy that we will have to pay him less, now, albeit without his services. That's what you call a Pyrrhic Victory.

    Not only was it NOT an over-reaction, but the discussion was pretty much spot on. I don't expect you to concede any of these obvious points, though. I'm cool.
    7 months is January. It won't be March. And that's perfect because it'll take him another month to hit form, which means he should be starting to peak after ASB, just in time for SPAM.

    I didn't read the whole thread, only the last couple of pages, and there was a lot of doom-saying in them. Do you always read the whole thread?

    Anyway, how about we just ignore each other? The world will be a better place.

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    7 months is January. It won't be March. And that's perfect because it'll take him another month to hit form, which means he should be starting to peak after ASB, just in time for SPAM.

    I didn't read the whole thread, only the last couple of pages, and there was a lot of doom-saying in them. Do you always read the whole thread?

    Anyway, how about we just ignore each other? The world will be a better place.
    Whether 7 months lands in January or March is irrelevant. Predicting January a week ago got a criticism from you of over-reacting. Now, it's perfectly fine, January. Of course you don't concede we weren't over-reacting, but exactly appropriately reacting, or maybe even under-reacting, according to Woj, a very credible source. Not to mention, you can't start counting until he actually HAS the surgery. Something Woj may have knowledge of, thus the March timeline.

    You don't read the whole thread, come in and make blanket statements about the thread, then want to be absolved of your hyperbole because you didn't read the whole thread.

    No. I don't always read the whole thread. That is why I try not to make blanket statements as you did, unless I'm being intentionally snarky. And, I try to use specifics when I can. I am not always successful. I have made errors in not reading thoroughly, or misunderstanding and I often admit as much. Try it sometime, instead of continuing to rant about how right you were in the face of evidence to the contrary.

    I noticed that you did not cite a single source where even one person stated this was a career-ending injury, as you stated occurred. We both know the reason for this is that it did not happen. The thread was appropriately concerned, and the injury and ramifications of it are proving out.

    Your wish to have me ignore you is understandable, as well. Who wants to be held accountable?

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    3yrs 12 mil.

    Probably what he was going to get either way.

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    Littlecoyote you need to run for mayor or even against Hilary!!!

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    Whether 7 months lands in January or March is irrelevant. Predicting January a week ago got a criticism from you of over-reacting. Now, it's perfectly fine, January. Of course you don't concede we weren't over-reacting, but exactly appropriately reacting, or maybe even under-reacting, according to Woj, a very credible source. Not to mention, you can't start counting until he actually HAS the surgery. Something Woj may have knowledge of, thus the March timeline.

    You don't read the whole thread, come in and make blanket statements about the thread, then want to be absolved of your hyperbole because you didn't read the whole thread.

    No. I don't always read the whole thread. That is why I try not to make blanket statements as you did, unless I'm being intentionally snarky. And, I try to use specifics when I can. I am not always successful. I have made errors in not reading thoroughly, or misunderstanding and I often admit as much. Try it sometime, instead of continuing to rant about how right you were in the face of evidence to the contrary.

    I noticed that you did not cite a single source where even one person stated this was a career-ending injury, as you stated occurred. We both know the reason for this is that it did not happen. The thread was appropriately concerned, and the injury and ramifications of it are proving out.

    Your wish to have me ignore you is understandable, as well. Who wants to be held accountable?
    I never said January was an over-reaction, I only found out that January was the date yesterday. And I can't be bothered going back and finding the thread and quoting the 10 posts I was reacting to because I have a life.

    Okay, don't ignore me, keep wasting your time over-reacting to my comments. Have a in ball.

    You remind me of T Park and I who used to get into massive flame wars 12 years ago over very little. Then we grew up.

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