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Inflight refueling using American planes would be a step way above letting someone go through airspace. And from what I've read on the situation, the US isn't even considering that option (officialy).
Whottt, from you're own ing site:
Complementing the upgraded weapon systems is a dorsal compartment containing enhanced mission avionics and chaff and flare dispensers, enabling it to conduct either pilot training or combat missions. In addition, removable conformal fuel tanks (CFTs) have been added along the fuselage and above the wing roots, freeing-up underwing hard points for additional armaments. The F-16I has an unrefueled combat strike radius well in excess of 500 miles. The extended flight range allows Israeli forces to attack targets well within Iran and Libya without having to refuel. In addition, the pit of the F-16I has been expanded to provide for the addition of an onboard weapons officer situated behind the pilot. It has a 820 non-refueling radius of operation.
And what Clandestino said above
So once again, the only way they can do this is if they have inflight refueling. The 16s are capable of it, but does the Israeli AF have in flight refuelers?The distance between Jerusalem, Israel and Teheran, Iran is 968.0 miles(1558.0 km)
You can spew all the bull you want about bunker busters but that is not the pertinent issue.
Inflight refueling using American planes would be a step way above letting someone go through airspace. And from what I've read on the situation, the US isn't even considering that option (officialy).
in one of the links he posted, it said their new f16s have the capability to hit iran.. if they didn't have the capability they were going to buy more f15s..
it is a modified f16
I don't think the jews just spent a bundle on bunker busters and long range jets just to take out Hamas.
Also from your site, Whottt. Take a look at that tail insignia from the refueling plane. What country does it belong to?
And even though the radius of the F16i unrefueled is 820 miles, that also drops the load it can carry. Bunker busters are heavy es, and that doesn't mean an F161 can fly that far with a bunker buster, conformal fuel cells, and wing tanks.
one picture doesn't mean all israeli jets are re-fueled by the u.s.
Within Iran does not = The entire country of Iran.
No, not at all. And tanker planes really aren't all that sophisticated so they probably do have some. You install tanks in the cargo hold of a tanker plane and you attatch a boom, its not rocket science to make one.
But, I haven't seen any info that Israel has them either.
I don't think Israel has any intention of going one on one with Iran...
I think they'll do to Iran what they did to Saddam when the French government supplied Iraq with nuclear technology...take out the reactor.
I don't think the reactor is based in Tehran...
But it is underground...hence the bunker busters.
No, you did make it clear. My point was a reiteration of yours, suggesting that Bush setting out a straightforward strategy of preemption likely would not have received the votes necessary to begin hostilities in Iraq. But I think that is where the Administration has, rightly so, drawn criticism. Rather than setting forth that clear case, they chose instead to manufacture a case for going to war based on, at best, incomplete or inconclusive evidence. It lead to people feeling mislead and resulted in the disputes over the propriety of the conflict. The White House articulated a basis for going to war that was difficult to counter, knowing that its real reasons for going to war would not win widespread support. When the basis proved to be inaccurate, the White House simply reverted to what appears to have been the internal rationale in the first place, leaving many to wonder about the shifting justifications for this engagement and feel as if they cannot trust the Administration.
History will tell whether Bush's Gambit was justified or not. Contemporary society is very clearly divided on that subject.
They do have some tanker planes. They are old ers, American 40s and 50s technology, but they have them. So that 16 does have the ability to strike anywhere in Iran
You misunderstood my point. I was saying that just because they can reach parts of Iran, it does not mean they can reach ALL of Iran, including the part of Iran where their nuclear programs are located.
But, it is moot, because with the refuel capability they probably can reach that point.
They would have to refuel somewhere over Iraq or Syria though, and while I'm not currnet on Syrias air defense network by anymeans, I'm sure they have Radar and I'm not too sure they'd be too happy about Israel flying through their airspace.
They could fly low with the fighers and theoreticaly avoid radar detection, but theres no way in they could do that with tanker planes. Also, flying low and fast burns fuel fast as all , which would lower the combat radius of the planes.
There are several obstacles to this mission, even in theory, being able to be pulled off.
The Israeli Airforce is pretty bad ass....and their tactics are magnificent...I am sure they have a plan.
And I don't know where the reactor is located...I'd hope that the Iranians were stupid enough to put it close to Israel....but you never know.
Oh, and FWD and AHF, I think you are both wrong there.
I think this administration along with the rest of the world simply did honestly believe there were WMD to be found in Iraq. Really, all of the intelligence pointed to that. I don't believe it was simply used as an excuse. I believe that they thought while getting rid of those WMD and setting a tone on the subject, they could also convert Iraq into a democracy.
My problem has been with their adamant refusal to admit the up and their constant changing of the reason. The reason was WMD, but they won't come out and say they were wrong. They just wont.
The Israelie air force is bad ass because they have American hardware. Soviet was horrible compared to ours. We always thought it was simillar, but everytime a pilot defected with one of their planes we discovered just how ty they were. Their newest designs are on par with the 16, 15, and 18 and probably better than the navy's 14, but the 22 will kick the out of any other plane on this planet.
Europe's got some nice fighters too, but really nothing out there can compare with the air force we have.
Anyhow, as bad ass as Israel's airforce maybe, that is still a of a mission. People here don't understand how difficult it is to attack anotehr country because we can lob cruise missles at will to any point on this planet but it really is much more difficult when you have to do it with planes.
And in addition, the plans I've read also involve the use of comando teams. I would assume that is to ensure the destruction of underground facilities.
This mission would be a , and really runs contrary to what both the Israelis and US government have been saying.
I agree totally. And I think Sadam Hussein wanted everyone, including his own people, to believe he had WMD. The whole charade of throwing the weapons inspectors out constantly was just to send the message that they had serious weapons to hide. It was all a lot of posturing. A really bad bluff gone wrong.
Furthermore:
That means no element of suprise. An alerted air defense network is going to play with any planned attacks. And if there isn't one location to be attacked, but dozens, how do they know for sure they've gotten them all? You think Syria is continuously going to allow overflights of it's airspace?
Also, Iran has balistic missles capable of reaching Israel. And while Israel has the arrow ABM system, do they really want to around with the possiblity of missing a missle loaded with chemical weapons?
Yeah, the days of simple strikes like the Osiraq strike are done. If they ever exisisted
How would the Shiites in Iraq react to an attack on Iran by Israel as well?
Why doesn't anyone ever consider the possiblity that Saddam might have moved the WMD projects?
It seems to me that the countries that supplied him with it wouldn't want it to be traced back to them...so they probably had a plan to get rid of it quickly if necessary.
We only gave him 3 months of warning...he's not totally stupid.
I mean there is a nuclear arms race going on over there in Asia...I don't know why Saddam would be exempt from getting the technology..he had a lot more to offer than the other small countries that have gotten it so far...
This is a good page on a possible Israeli strike on Iran.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...srael/iran.htm
As for what Sadaam did with his WMD, where the was he going to move them without notice? To move huge stockpiles that he was mentioned having, one does not eliminate trace of them without someone notice. Especially when that someone is watching you with the worlds most advanced intelligence gathering equipment.
Sure, I suppose its a possiblity, but not a very likely one.
A couple of things...
Who says the planes will be flying out of Jerusalem, and have to make it to Tehran? They've just got to fly from somewhere on Israeli soil to the appropriate target in Iran.The distance between Jerusalem, Israel and Teheran, Iran is 968.0 miles(1558.0 km)
Yes, Israel has tankers (even KC-135s we sold them).So once again, the only way they can do this is if they have inflight refueling. The 16s are capable of it, but does the Israeli AF have in flight refuelers?
You can spew all the bull you want about bunker busters but that is not the pertinent issue.
I think any such strike against Iran would be a joint air/land assault. I'd bet even money Israel has the ways and the means to have commando units on the ground in Iran. It probably already has special squads already inside Iran monitoring things and staging for a future assault.
They will use commando units to hit sites that cannot be taken out from the air.
And on the subject of Israeli capabilities, their engineers have tweaked a lot of our weapons/platform designs.
I'd be willing to bet they already have the capability from a range and ordinance standpoint to hit what they want to hit in Iran.
And regardless of all that, should it get to that point, Israel will be coming from the north through Turkey. They even prepped for such an attack.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=23260
It sounds to me like there may already quietly be Israeli planes on the ground in Turkey, but I have heard elsewhere that Turkey has given Israel overflight rights.The three air forces will be rehearsing a Turkish-U.S. response, should Syria, Iraq and Iran – together or singly – launch a surface missile assault on Turkish and U.S. military bases inside Turkey, as part of an overall offensive against Israel.
This offensive might come in the form of a missile raid or a ground invasion through Jordan or Syria. The 1995 Turkish-Israel military pact provides for Israel to use Turkish air bases if attacked.
The basic premise underlying the air force exercise is that in the event of a full-blown Middle East war, either of those three neighbors of Turkey will send missiles against military installations in southern Turkey, primarily the big base at Incerlik, for the purpose of demolishing any Israeli warplanes that are on the ground and preventing the Israeli air force from using Turkish soil as a launch pad for reaching targets in Syria, north Iraq, northeast Iran, Iraq's western desert and northeast Iraq.
Oh, and there are also rumors in the defense sector of this country that Israel will be ponying up for 2 air craft carriers and aircraft to outfit said ships.
I've always thought that was very plausible. And I recall in the months before we invaded Iraq, some analyst on TV insisting that Iraq was in the process of sending a its WMDs to Lybia. I don't know why no one ever considers that this might be true. But at the end of the day, our intelligence really did drop the ball.
We're not selling aircraft carriers, and we better not sell them to a country who is so ing dependent on foreign aid from us.
No one said the aircraft carriers would be coming from America
And you're missing the bigger point - Turkey having a mutual defense pact with Israel.
Turkey is no ally of Tehran either, and if the nuclear threat is close to being realized, you'll be seeing Turkey turning a blind eye to Israeli fighters as they fly over, refuel, and even stage from Turkish soil.
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