Warriors: Stephen Curry declares himself a better offensive player than LeBron James

[spurraider21]

Delly is a small white bench sitting scrub. Your argument amounts to "Steph is better than Delly" as if someone here has made the assertion that it's not true. Steph is a universe from Delly, but during that Finals, Delly did just enough to keep the regular season MVP from getting the Finals MVP, no matter how you spin it.

strawman

your claim was that delly shut down curry. i'm asking where delly was "shutting down curry" in games 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6

[DMC]

steph was matched up against a nobody PG who shot 28% for the series, whereas Iguodala was defending LeBron. that's a really ty argument, even by your standards


i never actually said iggy getting the FMVP was the wrong decision.

Oh come now Philo:

"considering mongoloids such as yourself are still harping on that one game, i would assume the voters were similarly impacted"

"voters have gotten it wrong before."

You certainly made that assertion. Don't try to play lawyer and play semantics.

it is true that voters have gotten it wrong before, though. i'm fine with iggy getting finals mvp. i also would have been fine with danny green taking F-MVP if we closed in 2013. wouldn't mean he's the best player on the team.

Aaaaand you throw out yet another red herring named Danny Green.

Fact: Steph did not get the Finals MVP
Fact: Delly is why
Fact: A bench player from the Nuggets got the Finals MVP
Fact: There as NEVER been a regular season MVP to not win the Finals MVP if they won the Finals, certainly never one beaten out by a bench player.

Oh you're fine with it. Ok, big ing deal. It's still a fact.

but it doesn't take much away from curry. he was and is the best player on the warriors, and that isn't really in question.

Yet you keep addressing it as if it is the question.

It certainly took away from Curry during the Finals.

Delly dropped 20 on Curry. That's not only Delly's all time high in the playoffs, but all time high EVER.

Delly single handed stopped Curry from getting a Finals MVP. That could possibly have implications further down the road for Steph. We'll see.

iggy played a great series while matched up against the best player in the world. i do think curry's game 2 stuck in voters minds and people like yourself still have this perception that he struggled throughout the finals because of delly even though he only had 1 poor game

History was made when AI took the trophy from Steph. It's not like Steph was a rookie or an aged veteran teaching AI the ropes. This isn't the 2014 Kawhi FMVP scenario where AI just took over the game or there was no clear stand out.

So it still comes down to those two things:

1. The voters were wrong

or

2. AI was more important to the Warriors' win than was the regular season MVP.

[DMC]

strawman

your claim was that delly shut down curry. i'm asking where delly was "shutting down curry" in games 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6

You're using a euphemism "bad game" instead of stating the truth "because Delly was draped all over him". Imagine Lebron gets shut down by ing Beno and JR ing Smith wins the Finals MVP. Would you just say "meh he had one bad game"? no.

[spurraider21]

i do think mongoloids such as yourself have harped on game 2 way too much, and i dont put it past the voters either. doesn't necessarily mean iggy didn't deserve it. he had a great performance in the finals.

this is all a pointless exercise anyway. nobody on the planet thinks iguodala is better than curry or more important for the warriors. if you think otherwise, state it here. whether or not curry won regular season mvp doesn't matter, as the finals mvp is determined independently. you're describing it as if it would be better off for curry if he wasn't regular season mvp, which is just stupid.

[spurraider21]

You're using a euphemism "bad game" instead of stating the truth "because Delly was draped all over him". Imagine Lebron gets shut down by ing Beno and JR ing Smith wins the Finals MVP. Would you just say "meh he had one bad game"? no.

where was delly "draped all over him" during games 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6?

mongoloids such as yourself keep harping on one game

[DMC]

i do think mongoloids such as yourself have harped on game 2 way too much, and i dont put it past the voters either. doesn't necessarily mean iggy didn't deserve it. he had a great performance in the finals.

this is all a pointless exercise anyway. nobody on the planet thinks iguodala is better than curry or more important for the warriors. if you think otherwise, state it here. whether or not curry won regular season mvp doesn't matter, as the finals mvp is determined independently. you're describing it as if it would be better off for curry if he wasn't regular season mvp, which is just stupid.

You're lying. How can I have an honest debate with someone who's being dishonest? It's right there in your posts, Philo. You believe the voters got it wrong. You compared them to a mongoloid, and said they've gotten it wrong before. Why make either assertion if you don't believe they got it wrong?

If you believe the voters got it right, then the selection is quite easy from the original two choices. Why drag it out?

[DMC]

where was delly "draped all over him" during games 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6?

mongoloids such as yourself keep harping on one game

It's not about the one game. It's about the fact that Steph did not win the Finals MVP and not because Klay played better. It's because a guy came off the bench and played better than the regular season MVP. That's never happened, in the history of the game. Even if Manu won the FMVP in 2005, the regular season MVP that year wasn't on the Spurs, because it was Steve Gash.

If you look at AI's numbers they weren't even impressive. So why did he win? He certainly didn't hold Lebron down, since James scored 40 on him in a losing effort. It's because Steph was unimpressive. He was there on offense pretty much, but nowhere on defense and that becomes apparent when everyone is watching the game and not just stat watching the box scores.

You act like I gifted AI the Finals MVP. It wasn't my decision and the mood at the time was the Steph didn't have a great series, that the Warriors should have taken Cleveland in 4 since they were down two all stars and playing a scrub at PG.

[spurraider21]

You're lying. How can I have an honest debate with someone who's being dishonest? It's right there in your posts, Philo. You believe the voters got it wrong. You compared them to a mongoloid, and said they've gotten it wrong before. Why make either assertion if you don't believe they got it wrong?

If you believe the voters got it right, then the selection is quite easy from the original two choices. Why drag it out?

i said they are mongoloids for harping over game 2 so much. the media made constant references to delly "shutting down" curry because they over-exaggerate one game. and mental midgets like yourself have latched onto the narrative

its possible for AI to deserve the finals mvp even if curry played well

[spurraider21]

It's not about the one game. It's about the fact that Steph did not win the Finals MVP and not because Klay played better. It's because a guy came off the bench and played better than the regular season MVP. That's never happened, in the history of the game. Even if Manu won the FMVP in 2005, the regular season MVP that year wasn't on the Spurs, because it was Steve Gash.

If you look at AI's numbers they weren't even impressive. So why did he win? He certainly didn't hold Lebron down, since James scored 40 on him in a losing effort. It's because Steph was unimpressive. He was there on offense pretty much, but nowhere on defense and that becomes apparent when everyone is watching the game and not just stat watching the box scores.

You act like I gifted AI the Finals MVP. It wasn't my decision and the mood at the time was the Steph didn't have a great series, that the Warriors should have taken Cleveland in 4 since they were down two all stars and playing a scrub at PG.

why does it make any difference if he happened to have the regular season mvp or not, that's such a stupid qualifier. curry was and is the best player on the warriors. the hardware doesn't change it one bit

[DMC]

i said they are mongoloids for harping over game 2 so much. the media made constant references to delly "shutting down" curry because they over-exaggerate one game. and mental midgets like yourself have latched onto the narrative

But I didn't vote for Finals MVP. Did you?

its possible for AI to deserve the finals mvp even if curry played well

So on one hand the narrative was wrong and over-hyped yet on the other AI outplayed Steph, off the bench.

Aren't you right back where we started? Or, is everyone else wrong and you're right? I mean, different opinions come from mongoloids, right?

[DMC]

why does it make any difference if he happened to have the regular season mvp or not, that's such a stupid qualifier. curry was and is the best player on the warriors. the hardware doesn't change it one bit

It matters because it says he's at his prime. It's easy for someone like you to use someone like Tim as an example in 2007 when Tony won the FMVP, but Tim wasn't in his prime and was far from the regular season MVP.

Steph wasn't the best during the Finals.

[spurraider21]

But I didn't vote for Finals MVP. Did you?

So on one hand the narrative was wrong and over-hyped yet on the other AI outplayed Steph, off the bench.

Aren't you right back where we started? Or, is everyone else wrong and you're right? I mean, different opinions come from mongoloids, right?

i think they could have gone either way with the award, really doesn't matter.

[DMC]

i think they could have gone either way with the award, really doesn't matter.

So they are mongoloids and have voted wrong before but it doesn't matter. Nothing matters but you keep responding.

[spurraider21]

It matters because it says he's at his prime. It's easy for someone like you to use someone like Tim as an example in 2007 when Tony won the FMVP, but Tim wasn't in his prime and was far from the regular season MVP.

curry might not have even hit his prime yet. he's been better this year than he was last year

was jordan in his prime in 87-88 or 97-98? mvp both years

[spurraider21]

So they are mongoloids and have voted wrong before but it doesn't matter. Nothing matters but you keep responding.

just humoring an old man riddled with boredom

[DMC]

curry might not have even hit his prime yet. he's been better this year than he was last year

was jordan in his prime in 87-88 or 97-98? mvp both years

Regular season MVP is in your prime. Jordan didn't have the Finals MVP taken away by Sedale Threatt.

[DMC]

just humoring an old man riddled with boredom

No, you're wrong and trying to recover.

[spurraider21]

Regular season MVP is in your prime. Jordan didn't have the Finals MVP taken away by Sedale Threatt.

so was jordan in his prime when he won regular season mvp in 87-88 or when he won regular season mvp in 97-98?

[spurraider21]

No, you're wrong and trying to recover.

its pointless. i dont even understand what your bottom line point is here. curry didn't get finals mvp? what's your point? does that make him a chucker?

are you going to stick to your guns and claim he got "shut down by delly" because he had a poor game 2 but a good game 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6?

[DMC]

so was jordan in his prime when he won regular season mvp in 87-88 or when he won regular season mvp in 97-98?

At more than 35pts a game, he was in his physical prime. A decade later he was in his overall prime though he scored fewer a game (didn't need to score as many) and had a higher basketball IQ. So yes, both times he was in his prime.

Kareem won almost 10 years apart. Some people's prime lasted a long time.

[DMC]

Here's your options:

1. Admit Curry got exposed
2. Explain why Iggy won the Finals MVP

Throwing out red herrings and "ya but" won't cut it. If you have a point to make about any other series, start your thread and see who cares.

its pointless. i dont even understand what your bottom line point is here. curry didn't get finals mvp? what's your point? does that make him a chucker?

are you going to stick to your guns and claim he got "shut down by delly" because he had a poor game 2 but a good game 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6?

If you'd read more and respond less, you'd know.

You said voters got it wrong, so everyone is wrong but you.

Steph somehow lost his 1st Finals MVP the same year he won the Finals and the regular season MVP, lost it to a bench player, and you act like it means nothing.

[spurraider21]

fine. option 2. iggy won finals mvp because he had a very good performance in the nba finals while matched up against the best player in the world.

so whats your point?

btw i know you love the "some guy off the bench" shtick but you should know iggy started the last 3 games and was 3rd on the team in minutes with over 37 per game

[DMC]

fine. option 2. iggy won finals mvp because he had a very good performance in the nba finals while matched up against the best player in the world.

so whats your point?

You didn't explain it why he won the MVP, only why an MVP might be awarded. Why wouldn't Steph get the award instead?

[spurraider21]

You didn't explain it why he won the MVP, only why an MVP might be awarded.

He won mvp because he had a very good performance in the nba finals while matched up against the best player in the world

[spurraider21]

this whole talk about fmvp only began because you brought up how he got "shut down by delly." i couldnt care less about the mvp award and the numbers + common sense show that he didnt get "shut down by delly"

you're subscribing to the reasoning that "curry didnt win fmvp = curry got shut down by delly"

i'm not buying that. its a false equivalency