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You lost already. Shut up.
Except you conveniently left out the very next sentence from my post:
Anyways for as as smart as you claim you are, you can be pretty ing stupid. Nobody is saying to compare them to each other. I'm saying when either of them is compared to another player, rings give Tony the edge but not Kobe. Keep a consistent stance.
lol having to harp on this bc the rest of your argument is
Actually, you brought him up:I'm not comparing him, you were. You're the one who brought up Chris Paul.
Kobe is compared to Tim Duncan, Michael Jordan. Tony is compared to Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, other random hyped up point guards who never won .
Chris also never had a Top 5 player of all-time, a Top 3 coach of all-time and the best organization in all of pro sports behind him. That couldn't have anything to do with it. Nah, Tony just has that 'it' than CP0 doesnt.Your "if" means absolutely nothing. It's conjecture. You're en led to whatever uneducated opinion you can possibly have. Tony has 4 rings and a Finals MVP. Chris has not a ing thing. That isn't subjective.
Wall of . You insist on comparing players that have played different roles and have carried different levels of responsibilities throughout their careers.No one has said Tony was the best player on the team. When Chris wins 3 rings as the best player on the team then we'll revisit Chris. He's not won . Tony could probably lead a team to not winning as well.
That's a lot more fortunate x 4. You have the best PG in the game, according to many including you, with zero rings in all his years, and you have Tony Parker with 4 including a Finals MVP. I'm sure Chris would trade places with Tony in a heartbeat. Wait, no he wouldn't. He wouldn't give up individual glory for team success, otherwise he would have by now.
I could see that argument if Chris had a couple rings and Tony had 4, then you'd say that Chris got bumped out a few times due to fluky plays, but you and I both know Tony could have anywhere between 5-8 rings right now if not for fluky plays. The truth is that Chris chooses to remain "up and coming". He's satisfied being the "best PG in the game" and doesn't need a championship bad enough to actually make career decisions to make it happen. Re-signing with the Clippers was all the proof anyone needed.
You're talking out of your ass. For a guy like Kobe, who was an actual cancer the analytics supported the fact that he was a piece of . Nothing supports any of the you say about Russ. Nothing but an opinion from an old man who thinks he has some kind gift when it comes to analyzing the game of basketball.Nah, it's not because of defense. It's because he's never made it to the post season. His stats never equated to team success. It's not like he hasn't had good players around him, ever. He's like Russ in that their stats don't equate to team wins. It's just individual stat padding. The team ends up with 100 points one way or another. Russ's 49 points don't make it 149. Russ takes away from the team's success by killing the team's chemistry, their rhythm, even their defense. He makes the game about him instead of about his team. Remember when Kevin wouldn't allow SI to put him on the cover without putting Nenad and Thabo there as well? Do you ever see Russ bring his teammates in? No.
Kobe: -2.40 RPM, 96 ORtg, 110 DRtg, 0.7 VORP, 1.6 OBPM, -1.3 DBPM, .008 WS/48
Russ: 7.27 RPM, 111 ORtg, 101 DRtg, 5.4 VORP, 9.4 OBPM, 2.4 DBPM, .240 WS/48
The Spurs didn't. 4-0 sweep. Your post I quoted explicitly mentions Kawhi, that's what he has to do with the conversation. Do you have dementia, old man?I'm sure you didn't break a sweat.
What does Kawhi have to do with whether or not Tony is a better PG than Chris Paul?
Tony has been a score first PG during his entire career. During his developing years he was a 4-5 apg guy. Why are you babbling as if he's Steve Nash or something?Point guards shouldn't be the 1st scoring option. That's the whole point. Tony could have been that on any team in the league except SA. He chose to stay in SA with reduced stats to win more rings. If other PGs could trust their teammates, they might win a ring. What other team has their best scoring option at PG? Are they threats to ring?
You go from ing about Tony being in hero mode to Tony deferring, both to prove the same invalid point.
You lost already. Shut up.
Kobe: -2.40 RPM, 96 ORtg, 110 DRtg, 0.7 VORP, 1.6 OBPM, -1.3 DBPM, .008 WS/48
Russ: 7.27 RPM, 111 ORtg, 101 DRtg, 5.4 VORP, 9.4 OBPM, 2.4 DBPM, .240 WS/48
But he's just like Kobe bc my eagle eye tells me he is.
It's good bro.
Just your brain.
The PC's good to go.
Kobe: -2.40 RPM, 96 ORtg, 110 DRtg, 0.7 VORP, 1.6 OBPM, -1.3 DBPM, .008 WS/48
Russ: 7.27 RPM, 111 ORtg, 101 DRtg, 5.4 VORP, 9.4 OBPM, 2.4 DBPM, .240 WS/48
But he's just like Kobe bc my eagle eye tells me he is.
Learn to dribble a ball, little .
Maybe then you can get off the bench and play some with the big bad ball hogs.
With both hands.
Not just your masturbater hand.
Whats FKLA;s point? That he likes Cp3 or Westbrook. That;s fine, they play for other franchises. He can root for them.
what is this? Can you explain what the stats mean, I don't know which HArlemstans just post numbers and which actually know the stats.Kobe: -2.40 RPM, 96 ORtg, 110 DRtg, 0.7 VORP, 1.6 OBPM, -1.3 DBPM, .008 WS/48
Russ: 7.27 RPM, 111 ORtg, 101 DRtg, 5.4 VORP, 9.4 OBPM, 2.4 DBPM, .240 WS/48
But he's just like Kobe bc my eagle eye tells me he is.
Ya when he was 21yo AND because the best PG in the world was available...
I still don't get how stuff like that or the speedy claxton thing can still come up lmao
You have a 21yo pg drafted 28th(!!) who's not perfect but has great skills and kept improving EVERY YEAR and you only remember the last quarter of game 6 when the whole game plan (for the lat 3 games) was directed to stop/pressure him!!
What about the first 3 games of the finals and Tony outplaying the best PG on the planet, was that no big deal?
There's a sort of collective amnesia regarding Tony's performances that's insane...
Remember the time when the Spurs had Avery J
Even ElNono isn't immune...Ya when he was 21yo AND because the best PG in the world was available...
I still don't get how stuff like that or the speedy claxton thing can still come up lmao
You have a 21yo pg drafted 28th(!!) who's not perfect but has great skills and kept improving EVERY YEAR and you only remember the last quarter of game 6 when the whole game plan (for the lat 3 games) was directed to stop/pressure him!!
What about the first 3 games of the finals and Tony outplaying the best PG on the planet, was that no big deal?
There's a sort of collective amnesia regarding Tony's performances that's insane...
It was like a freaking party every damn game baby!Remember the time when the Spurs had Avery J
Vinny dropping tres...
Avery waterbugging all over that court.
Who could stop the Spurs back then?!
He paused the championship DVD on the TWO shots Claxton made in the 4th quarter of Game 6 and forgot that Tony averaged more than double his PPG and triple his APG & RPG for the series.Ya when he was 21yo AND because the best PG in the world was available...
I still don't get how stuff like that or the speedy claxton thing can still come up lmao
You have a 21yo pg drafted 28th(!!) who's not perfect but has great skills and kept improving EVERY YEAR and you only remember the last quarter of game 6 when the whole game plan (for the lat 3 games) was directed to stop/pressure him!!
What about the first 3 games of the finals and Tony outplaying the best PG on the planet, was that no big deal?
There's a sort of collective amnesia regarding Tony's performances that's insane...
He's probably the worst point guard in the history of the game (D-League included).
It's because he hasn't been in every All Star game, doesn't do a lot of commercial, doesn't do fancy alley oop . Casual fans like you have on this site often only remember a win or a loss and often they take their own talking points from the media pundits who have a bone to pick about any particular subject.Ya when he was 21yo AND because the best PG in the world was available...
I still don't get how stuff like that or the speedy claxton thing can still come up lmao
You have a 21yo pg drafted 28th(!!) who's not perfect but has great skills and kept improving EVERY YEAR and you only remember the last quarter of game 6 when the whole game plan (for the lat 3 games) was directed to stop/pressure him!!
What about the first 3 games of the finals and Tony outplaying the best PG on the planet, was that no big deal?
There's a sort of collective amnesia regarding Tony's performances that's insane...
You getting f'd up like myself, aren't you? The posts are getting more and more unintelligible,
Tipping my drink in your direction...
Respect.
Because it happened, that's why it comes up. It's not an invention that Pop went to Claxton to close that game because he wasn't getting what he needed from Tony, and to Claxton credit and our rejoice, he delivered.Ya when he was 21yo AND because the best PG in the world was available...
I still don't get how stuff like that or the speedy claxton thing can still come up lmao
You have a 21yo pg drafted 28th(!!) who's not perfect but has great skills and kept improving EVERY YEAR and you only remember the last quarter of game 6 when the whole game plan (for the lat 3 games) was directed to stop/pressure him!!
What about the first 3 games of the finals and Tony outplaying the best PG on the planet, was that no big deal?
I'm also not buying he "outplayed" Kidd in the first 3 games. Kidd had a double-double in Games 1 (2 rebounds short of a triple-double) and 3, and dropped 30pts in Game 2... I would buy the narrative he was "compe ive" during those games.
But it's ok, as you said, he was a 21 yo. It was his first Finals...
Because that's the nature of it. When 2013 comes up, all people remember from Gino is 8 turnovers in Game 6. Not that he had a great game 5. When 2006 comes up, it's the foul on Dirk, not the fact that he hit a 3 the previous possession to actually give us the lead, and that there was OT, and another game afterwards. It's that moment when you need them and they either don't show up or they up. We don't get to choose what people remember, they just do.
Darius is usually fairly re ed, but he's spot on when it comes to this played out Tony-hating shtick.
Harlem (who knows his stuff) does this thing each year where he boosts one player in the league at the expense of almost every other player. This year he's used his troll, apalisoc, to build up Kawhi while ting on Tony. He does this each year knowing that certain posters (like midnightpulp/Clipper Nation - same poster) will follow his lead no matter what he says.
It worked like a charm this year because a lot of Spurs fans were waiting for Tony's decline so they could on him while completely ignoring his past contributions to the Spurs. The reasons for that:
1) some fans never liked his "Hollywood" personality (which was overplayed)
2) Manu fans don't like to see Tony get praise because they feel it overshadows Manu
3) San Antonio has a massive amount of diehard Manu fans
4) San Antonio might as well be Mexico and has a lot of Mexican Spurs fans
5) Mexican fans like Manu so much because he speaks Spanish (and is from a Spanish speaking country) so they think of him as one of their own
6) Mexican fans don't realize that no one else in the world (Spanish speaking countries included) don't respect or like Mexico and don't like Mexicans
Tony has never been a huge fan favorite. This is just the way things are.
Thumbs up.
I forgot to mention that most Argie fans are more rational and reasonable when it comes to Parker than San Antonio locals. Which is odd
It's ridiculous that such stuff can't be talked about. I never said Tony wasn't good or anything like that.
I simply pointed out that the Spurs did thought at a certain point that they could do better going in a different direction rather than Tony the starting PG. Was it a long time ago? sure. Did it happen? absolutely.
A couple of months ago, I held back and refused to discuss certain topics about Parker, because I felt it was going to be taken the wrong way, considering the way he was playing.
But he's playing well now, and still everything rubs the wrong way? I just won't talk about Tony anymore, a player I've always been a fan of, and appreciated. It's really ridiculous.
You're the real hero, ElNono!
I mean, I know...
You're the real hero, ElNono!
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