Lakers: Kareem-Abdul-Overrated

[Arcadian]

I'm on board with the OP.

Intuition tells me that 2003 Duncan would outplay 1971 Kareem. Their career achievements are a wash.

[Ashy Larry]

Can't fade Cap. Last time I checked the history books, he was a champion in 87 and 88. That's called a repeat. A repeat in sports is when a team or person win a le in consecutive years. Something Cap did do.

Jim? 99 and 00? No.
03 and 04 ? No.
05 and 06? No.
07 and 08? No.
14 and 15? No.

0-5 Jimbo.

I will say you can take one of Cap's MVPs away. Can't give the MVP award to a dude on a 40-42 squad that misses the playoffs. I will say he was well on his way to the 80s finals MVP before getting hurt in game five.

[Malik Hairston]

80's NBA to today's NBA is like AAA baseball to MLB, or the ing Coca Cola league 1 to the EPL

yep..don't know how people can take a basketball league seriously when over 25% of the players in the 80s were White Americans..a bunch of Lou Amundsons..

There's a reason that the percentage of White American basketball players is less than 9% today..

[Killakobe81]

Can't fade Cap. Last time I checked the history books, he was a champion in 87 and 88. That's called a repeat. A repeat in sports is when a team or person win a le in consecutive years. Something Cap did do.

Jim? 99 and 00? No.
03 and 04 ? No.
05 and 06? No.
07 and 08? No.
14 and 15? No.

0-5 Jimbo.

I will say you can take one of Cap's MVPs away. Can't give the MVP award to a dude on a 40-42 squad that misses the playoffs. I will say he was well on his way to the 80s finals MVP before getting hurt in game five.

Tell 'em Ashy ... Im assuming you found some suckas to milk some money from last night? IF I still lived L.A. I would have paid for my summer vacation off the flips I knew back in the day. I saw them on Facebook getting roasted pig, lumpia and Korean BBQ ready for that let down ...

Funny PBF, has virtually no asian fans but plenty of blacks hate Floyd and prefer Manny. I was at a bar in Plano full of them. Crowd was easy 75% blacks (caribbean owned.themed bar) and 75% of the black crowd was rooting Manny plus all the whites were too ...

I know wrong thread and I dont care ...

[MultiTroll]

im surprise kareem wasnt more dominant during his era against midgets...

watch a replay of Dave Cowens working him.

[midnightpulp]

Can't fade Cap. Last time I checked the history books, he was a champion in 87 and 88. That's called a repeat. A repeat in sports is when a team or person win a le in consecutive years. Something Cap did do.

Jim? 99 and 00? No.
03 and 04 ? No.
05 and 06? No.
07 and 08? No.
14 and 15? No.

0-5 Jimbo.

I will say you can take one of Cap's MVPs away. Can't give the MVP award to a dude on a 40-42 squad that misses the playoffs. I will say he was well on his way to the 80s finals MVP before getting hurt in game five.

Last time I checked, a championship, meaning also a repeat, is a team accomplishment, which is why Kareem won a le in '88 despite being one of the worst players on the team.

[HemisfairArena]

Kareem,,,,take him or leave him,,,but Magic is arguably the best ever. When he filled in for Kareem and played center in the playoffs and scored 40,,,,what more do you want?

[Arcadian]

We all know Duncan repeated in 13-14*

*minus gotry from Pop and Manu

[midnightpulp]

Kareem had a negative floor impact during the '88 playoffs, but yet, that le win is held in high regard as an individual achievement

[Thebesteva]

OP

[Clipper Nation]

We all know Duncan repeated in 13-14*

*minus LeBron's historic greatness and Enrique getting outplayed by Mario Chalmers

FIFY

[lefty]

Kareem,,,,take him or leave him,,,but Magic is arguably the best ever. When he filled in for Kareem and played center in the playoffs and scored 40,,,,what more do you want?

He started at Center but didn't play center for most of the game

If he played C for the whole he would have been destroyed

[Venti Quattro]

Magic scored 42 but Wilkes scored 37 in that game himself

[Koolaid_Man]

Why are yall letting Mid troll you...this guy is mad and salty as over the Spurs getting bounced.....he knows Tim Duncans legacy took a hit and so in order to distractand pivot away from that he says let me throw some against the wall to see if I can disparage CAP....he knows that I know what hes up to thats why he doesnt really with me...I give him that makes him extremely uncomfortable with himself....he has OCD mixed with a Napoleonic syndrome...only a few of us on this board know about it....it was revealed back in 2009 during Kobes back 2 back run....

The summer of 2009 Mid called 911 and had the ambulance come out to his house about 42 times because he thought he was drowning in water while standing on his front porch...this is a result of a severe mental case of OCD....he's since tried to be calmer but now that he realizes again that its over for the Spurs hes starting to act crazy again..I hope this is a crazy as he will get this time....no more 911 calls please...

If disparaging CAP makes you heal Mid..then I fully support the measure...consider Kool your therapist...

[midnightpulp]

Hey Mid, I got side tracked to go have a steak, but I'm going to take your logic of using how great Magic was to lower Kareem's value... then switch the names to Kobe and Shaq. When I'm done Kobe might just be #1... using your logic.

There's no way you can apply it, since Shaq was ALWAYS, by far in some cases, the best statistical player on the team, even when the Lakers didn't win les. Shaq also won 3 Finals MVP to Kobe's zero.

I'll grant Kareem lead dog status for the 80 le, since he was better than Magic the entirety of the playoffs, but after Westhead was canned, the Lakers became Magic's team, with Magic typically being the roster's best statistical player.

We also can't leave Worthy out of the equation, who was a superstar level player.

[Ashy Larry]

Last time I checked, a championship, meaning also a repeat, is a team accomplishment, which is why Kareem won a le in '88 despite being one of the worst players on the team.

Old and repeated. Once again, something Jim has NEVER done and had five shots to do so. , even Kirby repeated 3 outta five times.

[Ashy Larry]

Tell 'em Ashy ... Im assuming you found some suckas to milk some money from last night? IF I still lived L.A. I would have paid for my summer vacation off the flips I knew back in the day. I saw them on Facebook getting roasted pig, lumpia and Korean BBQ ready for that let down ...

Funny PBF, has virtually no asian fans but plenty of blacks hate Floyd and prefer Manny. I was at a bar in Plano full of them. Crowd was easy 75% blacks (caribbean owned.themed bar) and 75% of the black crowd was rooting Manny plus all the whites were too ...

I know wrong thread and I dont care ...

people mad because Floyd does what Floyd does. And yes, I hit the Asain community pretty hard sir. Enough to purchase my ticket at the forum to see GGG. Paid for by the good folks from Little Saigon and other neighboring communities. Hit my Filipino neighbor hard.

[midnightpulp]

Old and repeated. Once again, something Jim has NEVER done and had five shots to do so. , even Kirby repeated 3 outta five times.

You don't get any extra hardware for a repeat.

Red mind ed you guys something fierce when he disparaged your les

[Ashy Larry]

You don't get any extra hardware for a repeat.

Red mind ed you guys something fierce when he disparaged your les

and you don't get any hardware for consecutive 50 win seasons. Greatest power forward of all time with stacked squads couldn't do it once. Tsk tsk tsk.

[midnightpulp]

and you don't get any hardware for consecutive 50 win seasons. Greatest power forward of all time with stacked squads couldn't do it once. Tsk tsk tsk.

Neither could Kareem*, Bird, Wilt, West, etc.


*Only lead dog les count in these debates. You know the rules, Larry.

[midnightpulp]

and you don't get any hardware for consecutive 50 win seasons. Greatest power forward of all time with stacked squads couldn't do it once. Tsk tsk tsk.

Agreed, but this is an important feat precisely because it (50+ plus win season usually means a good seed) allows you a good opportunity to win hardware.

Can't win any hardware from the cellar, where Kirbs and your Lakers are stuck, and will be stuck for the next 3-5 years at least.

[Ashy Larry]

Neither could Kareem*, Bird, Wilt, West, etc.


*Only lead dog les count in these debates. You know the rules, Larry.

If we're going lead dogs, then he didn't repeat. Jim couldn't repeat being a lead dog or an old dog. Cap at least repeated being an old dog. Cap > Jim

[Ashy Larry]

Agreed, but this is an important feat precisely because it (50+ plus win season usually means a good seed) allows you a good opportunity to win hardware.

Can't win any hardware from the cellar, where Kirbs and your Lakers are stuck, and will be stuck for the next 3-5 years at least.

and with all those 50 wins seedlings and great playoff position and stacked squads, how many times did Jimbo repeat?

[benefactor]

Mid working Laker fan on the block

[m>s]

All sorts of gotry going on in this thread. Kool everything you touch goes to I just want you to know you're a joke.