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    Not sure why anyone would be hesitant to trade Splitter for Aldridge: I understand Aldridge is a bit overrated but Splitter is certainly not some irreplaceable player. The guy has failed numerous times on the biggest stage and apparently can't stay healthy either anyway.

    the guy was absolutely horrendous against the clippers defensively. Aldridge could vastly improve under Pop/Tim and playing next to guys like Green/Leonard.

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    People are overrating Splitter's injury history. He was healthy the three post-seasons before this one. He had a bad year with injuries, and he's never going to be an ironman in the regular season. But he's certainly had many more strong playoff moments than he has weak ones.

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    Not sure why anyone would be hesitant to trade Splitter for Aldridge: I understand Aldridge is a bit overrated but Splitter is certainly not some irreplaceable player. The guy has failed numerous times on the biggest stage and apparently can't stay healthy either anyway.

    the guy was absolutely horrendous against the clippers defensively. Aldridge could vastly improve under Pop/Tim and playing next to guys like Green/Leonard.
    What a take. If it weren't for Splitter the Grizz would still be pushing the Spurs in. Not to mention the work he does on LMA and Dirk.

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    For everyone that thinks that it's possible to keep the entire team in tact and sign Aldridge, you're as delusional as fans of NBA teams that chase max contract guys each season. Something has to give in order to carve out adequate space, and it is most likely either not retaining Green, or moving one of Splitter/Diaw (Mills could be moved but cost savings not substantial enough). That's your best case scenario given that Parker will not be moved by the front office.

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    Sign and trade splitter for fall would be great

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    People are overrating Splitter's injury history. He was healthy the three post-seasons before this one. He had a bad year with injuries, and he's never going to be an ironman in the regular season. But he's certainly had many more strong playoff moments than he has weak ones.
    He tends to dissapear In the po. He was in 2012, in 2013 and 2015. 3 out of 4 po runs we got vagina.

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    He tends to dissapear In the po. He was in 2012, in 2013 and 2015. 3 out of 4 po runs we got vagina.
    What tends to disappear is people's memories. He was good in 2012, but Pop stopped playing him after Brooks did Hack-a-Splitter. In 2013, he was huge against Golden State and Memphis. The Spurs just didn't adjust to Miami going small. 2014 was the greatest defensive run for a Spurs big since Duncan in 2003. This year, Splitter was by far the best defensive big on the floor for most of his time out there. He just couldn't play enough minutes.

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    Lmao at people not wanting to trade Splitter for Aldridge..I swear some people don't watch or know basketball.

    First yes Splitter is a good "team" guy and a great team defender. But he gives you very little on offense...nothing is created on his own at all. Aldridge is one of the best if not the best offensive PF in the game. The pick and pop game does so much to create space in the paint and spreads the floor like Bonner used to do...but Aldridge is 100x more of a threat.

    Also Aldridge is an average defender...but that can improve. There's a better chance he improves on defense than Splitter having an offensive game lol.


    But the main reason Spurs do the trade or swap is the main reason which is the future. You're building around Aldridge and Leonard. Don't forget about that...I'll take Aldridge post Duncan era over Splitter any day of the week

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    If we trade splitter it's an admission that we're retooling for a champ run 2-5 years from now. That might mean tanking for lottery next year. Splitter is what separates us first round out to champ contender.


    But splitter is probably only really good for 2-3 years given his pace of injury. So, if you're the spurs do you roll with a value priced defensive big man, or a max level borderline all star?



    Trade splitter for an asset. Sign 2 big men. High $ fa and budget big can offset the loss of the big man


    Basically we have too many holes not to proceed with getting best available talent. At some point the loss of play making butts splitter's anemic offense making him a net negative.

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    Just trade him.

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    Basically we have too many holes not to proceed with getting best available talent.
    Wait, what holes? I can see the argument that the Spurs are moribund and need to add some talent with upside. But it's not like they were had matchup disadvantages every game like they did in the pre-Medium Three era.

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    Wait, what holes? I can see the argument that the Spurs are moribund and need to add some talent with upside. But it's not like they were had matchup disadvantages every game like they did in the pre-Medium Three era.
    I'm not saying that a trade, even under the best scenario, would be better, only that a case exists to trade splitter in a larger context. Trading splitter for lma is both a chance at an overall better player and one that will not rely on Parker/gino.


    Basically without offensive talent we have no shot at winning big. So better to roll the dice and try to fill he new holes rather than the existing holes (primary ball handler, sg, etc)

    We could have an entirely new backcourt next year (Parker benched). So.consider splitter plus mystery backcourt vs lma vs mystery backcourt.

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    I'd love to keep them all but Boris can be a matchup nightmare. And although not the greatest defender his intangibles make up for it. He will ususally give you whatever you need.

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    Basically we have too many holes not to proceed with getting best available talent.
    Wait, what holes? I can see the argument that the Spurs are moribund and need to add some talent with upside. But it's not like they were had matchup disadvantages every game like they did in the pre-Medium Three era.

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    Wait, what holes? I can see the argument that the Spurs are moribund and need to add some talent with upside. But it's not like they were had matchup disadvantages every game like they did in the pre-Medium Three era.
    That's an odd repost

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    Trade Tiago and be prepared for the Grizz owning the Spurs again.

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    I'm not saying that a trade, even under the best scenario, would be better, only that a case exists to trade splitter in a larger context. Trading splitter for lma is both a chance at an overall better player and one that will not rely on Parker/gino.


    Basically without offensive talent we have no shot at winning big. So better to roll the dice and try to fill he new holes rather than the existing holes (primary ball handler, sg, etc)

    We could have an entirely new backcourt next year (Parker benched). So.consider splitter plus mystery backcourt vs lma vs mystery backcourt.
    Lol first, Parker isn't being bench. If the Spurs were willing to bench Tony, they'd be wiling to trade him, and if that were the case, there'd be no reason to worry about Splitter or Aldridge.

    Second, if this were just Tiago for LA straight up, that would be one thing. But Aldridge is slated to make twice as much as Splitter next season. And then you have to factor in the Spurs losing the MLE/LLE/RFAs/Bird rights. That's a lot of flexibility gone behind that ge ng one player.

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    Lol first, Parker isn't being bench. If the Spurs were willing to bench Tony, they'd be wiling to trade him, and if that were the case, there'd be no reason to worry about Splitter or Aldridge.

    Second, if this were just Tiago for LA straight up, that would be one thing. But Aldridge is slated to make twice as much as Splitter next season. And then you have to factor in the Spurs losing the MLE/LLE/RFAs/Bird rights. That's a lot of flexibility gone behind that ge ng one player.
    Yeah, it's very risky, but these anonymous reports appear credible. So I'm not so much advocating for it, as trying to justify why they'd be gung I ho to trade their second or third best player.

    I think Parker could be benched. Convince him to limit regular season minutes until he feels healthy. Let him play with diaw. In the past we've used bench offense to win games. Putting an experienced Parker there resurrects the bench after Manu, beli, and cojo leave.

    I agree, most likely Parker is the spurs pg for next two years. But I guarantee the spurs are thinking about long term replacement. If the replacement comes sooner and if Parker comes back from France tired, convincing him to rest with limited minutes isn't unimaginable

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    There's a big difference between trading Splitter to cut cap space (similar to Asik trade, costing team a pick in the process) or seeing if a trade works where you get a lower cost asset back for Splitter. I think Splitter should have real trade value any other time of the year, but the big FA possibilities may make it hard to reap any return for him.

    Best move may be a three team trade where (1) Spurs receive asset for Splitter, (2) team trading for Splitter deals dead money expiring deal to make dollars, (3) third team with cap space takes on dead money expiring deal plus picks from Spurs/other team. Something like this:

    Spurs: receive cheap, productive player (FO would know best whom they would target) from either team B or C
    Celtics: receive Splitter, filling a major hole for them
    Sixers (or other team with space): receive Gerald Wallace's expiring corpse and picks from both Spurs and Celtics

    An outcome like this is much more favorable than being forced into a situation where they have to trade a first or two just to move on from a good contract in Splitter because gun is held to Buford's head to fit Aldridge's contract.

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    Life after Tim people would rather have Tiago then Aldridge? Really? If a FA like Aldridge wants to come to SA you make it happen. Having Tiago and more flexibility later in life does no good if the Spurs can't lure any big name FA to sign here. The spurs have never been able to lure big time FAs. If Aldridge genuinely wants to be here and pair up with Leonard you make it happen. That's two great young players to build around post Duncan. You worry about putting the right pieces around them later.

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    There's a big difference between trading Splitter to cut cap space (similar to Asik trade, costing team a pick in the process) or seeing if a trade works where you get a lower cost asset back for Splitter.
    Asik went for the 18th overall pick. The Rockets didn't pay to move him. They did pay to move Lin, however. You're right that Splitter has positive value. But he has a ton to the Spurs as well. They aren't paying a pick to Philly to take him when a team like Boston has a TE they'd use to absorb him for free.

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    Just wondering... if Kawhi leaves for some californian team?

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    Life after Tim people would rather have Tiago then Aldridge? Really? If a FA like Aldridge wants to come to SA you make it happen. Having Tiago and more flexibility later in life does no good if the Spurs can't lure any big name FA to sign here. The spurs have never been able to lure big time FAs. If Aldridge genuinely wants to be here and pair up with Leonard you make it happen. That's two great young players to build around post Duncan. You worry about putting the right pieces around them later.
    This, Aldridge and Leonard are a solid enough core that they will be able to lure another free agent (PG) here to get a Big 3. But if all we have is Leonard, thats not happening. Getting Aldridge is HUGE for our team long term if we want to remain competetive.

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    Just wondering... if Kawhi leaves for some californian team?
    He wont

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