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    The percentage of shoes sold in the US that are made in the US is somewhere south of 1%.

    The types of jobs left at Nike are high-paying, hard to export types.

    The jobs are gone, deal with it. That is the way free markets work.

    LOL WC wants socialism, and doesn't understand capitalism.
    No, I want adequate tariffs on imports that we can manufacture here. One of congress' power is to regulate commerce. They abuse that power for their rich friends instead of protecting this nation.

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    No, I want adequate tariffs on imports that we can manufacture here. One of congress' power is to regulate commerce. They abuse that power for their rich friends instead of protecting this nation.
    Tariffs = socialism

    tariffs pick winners (people whose jobs are to make shoes) over the losers (everybody who buys shoes)
    You want the government to pick winners and losers.

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    ne of congress' power is to regulate commerce. They abuse that power for their rich friends instead of protecting this nation.
    That much, I can agree with.

    Do you think that we should repeal the estate tax?

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    You want the government to pick winners and losers.
    I wouldn't call it that when we are picking our own sovereign interests as a nation, over another.

    That much, I can agree with.

    Do you think that we should repeal the estate tax?
    I'm mixed on that. I don't think any of the property assets should be taxed, and if we tax it, then only cash holdings.

    If a family business has a net worth of $500,000, and becomes part of an estate, then it does more damage than good when the people inheriting it have to sell it to pay taxes.

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    more damage than good when the people inheriting it have to sell it to pay taxes.
    what damage?

    income from your parents is still income

    $5M tax free "gift" from parents isn't enough?

    search how the FF were dead set against primogeniture, not that concern would bother the wealthy conservative "originalists/strict constructionists" of today.
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    'Productive members of society'

    You mean the middle class white people who drive around in their custom BMW bought by daddy flipping off all the hobos in the street.

    Also known as 'Libertarians'
    I mean the people who work for a living, not beg for handouts like socialists

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    "beg for handouts like socialists"

    1000s of US corps BUY politicians to protect and/or increase their "handouts"



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    It's like you're offended govt allows people to keep the money they earned. why so angry, winehole?
    not at all. I'm ok with the progressive tax system we've got, only, redistribution to the top has been outta control for about 15 years. Obama certainly hasn't reversed the trend.

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    don't hold your breath: gtown doesn't come down from Mt. Olympus to discuss base details. he's more a dealer in crass abstractions like one individual standing for the whole society and his tax refund creating all future wealth.

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    don't hold your breath: gtown doesn't come down from Mt. Olympus to discuss base details. he's more a dealer in crass abstractions like one individual standing for the whole society and his tax refund creating all future wealth.
    More than likely Gtown is also benefiting from the same system he pretends to hate.....probably on medicare and is certainly collecting social security

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    I wouldn't know anything about that and neither would you, I suspect.

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    That's based on age and nothing more.

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    do you know gtown personally, Dan?

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    not at all. I'm ok with the progressive tax system we've got, only, redistribution to the top has been outta control for about 15 years. Obama certainly hasn't reversed the trend.
    Not really accurate. Under Obama, the average federal tax rate paid by the top 1% of households has gone up more than 6 percentage points to an estimated 33.8% today, according to the Tax Policy Center.

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/30/pf/taxes/obama-taxes-rich/

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    was talking about income, not taxes. your point is well taken, but it doesn't mean much in terms of the broader trend.

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    viz., ac ulation at the tippity-top

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    do you know gtown personally, Dan?
    No, but I suspect that gtown is in Medicare/SS age...

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    going by the stated age on his profile page, that might be a fair su ion.

    it might not. I don't know.

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    maybe gtown will clear it up for us. cheers to him if he doesn't.

    he's not into light chatting, lately. mostly goes straight to cuck, but he was always a little that way.

    it's as if not being vitriolic and scathing and mean would be like, wounding to his self-respect or something like that. it's generally not done.
    Last edited by Winehole23; 05-12-2015 at 11:35 PM. Reason: cheers to him if he doesn't

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    More than likely Gtown is also benefiting from the same system he pretends to hate.....probably on medicare and is certainly collecting social security
    Sure in my early thirties. Nice narrative Nbadanowitz.

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    don't hold your breath: gtown doesn't come down from Mt. Olympus to discuss base details. he's more a dealer in crass abstractions like one individual standing for the whole society and his tax refund creating all future wealth.
    I just there's no reason to reappropriate wealth and goods from the earners to the parasitical class that hasn't earned it. A flat tax is the best solution. Sure we can have social safety nets, i'm against them, but its not the worse thing.

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    You want the government to pick winners and losers.
    That by definition is Keynesianism. When you get to pick who gets bailed out and who gets left out.

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    I don't have to. If something was given as a gift, no matter how or if it was blood related, it still something that was earned because the giver found it in his interest and found value to give to that person.

    I don't subscribe to a marxist view that value is tied to physical labor, the LTV has been discredited by mainstream "science" in the field of economics, something liberals leave to the realm of "muh feels" and "participation awards feel goods attempts" aka "muh intenshuns wer gud".

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    That by definition is Keynesianism. When you get to pick who gets bailed out and who gets left out.
    You pretty much have to, if you want a government at all.

    Kind of my point, thank you.

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    But Conservative individualist anti-government types in 'Murica can buy their 'freedom' with all their money that they ship offshore to prevent paying tax.

    "I earned all this dang money, why should I have to contribute by paying taxes".

    'Murica
    Lol, liberals and conservatives all try to skirt taxes. If you did a crosscheck of who has assets in offshore accts, it's even split. No one wants to pay taxes yet everyone wants to signal their piety about how their peers need to pay their fair share. It's ridiculous, all govt should charge you for is the operations it takes to keep order and maybe infrastucture in which it spends like a drunken sailor, but the tax rate goes beyond that, and i don't have a problem with people not wanting to contribute to simps and parasites who believe a good society should just "gibs me det".

    Generally you will deflect your character flaw and wormy persona by throwing in red herrings about how big monopoly men with whiskered moustaches and top hats are running off like bandits in their money banks. But that's just "muh feels" being turned into a pathetic narrative. The fact is that the top 5 percentile of income earners are carrying the load in contributions from taxes.

    rich people avoid taxes to keep the money they earn.

    poor people make more stupid decisions like popping out kids they can't support in order to get "gibs me dets" .

    I could care less about your liberal tears. Go sit at your cafe in your scarf and thong and about imperialism somewhere else.

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