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    I already posted the reference. My dictionary definition trumps yours since it actually says mainstream media.

    If you think Heast, Scripps, Tribune and CBS aren't mainstream, you need to explain why -- you are free to use Chomsky to argue against it.
    Local affiliates dont fit the widely accepted use of MSM.

    dicitionary.com doesn't help your case.

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    you can't quantify an abstract concept to an exact number. You must use context.
    So you can't define "the masses" in any quantifiable way.

    It's pretty useless. You shouldn't have hung your argument on it.

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    TSA is too ing stupid to understand the criminal, black or white, committing a crime on a black or white is totally different from a cop brutalizing, paralyzing, killling unarmed blacks or whites.

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    Local affiliates dont fit the widely accepted use of MSM.

    dicitionary.com doesn't help your case.
    Sure it did.

    Make the argument that Hearst, Scripps, Tribune and CBS aren't mainstream.

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    he elite media set a framework within which others operate. If you are watching the Associated Press, who grind out a constant flow of news, in the mid-afternoon it breaks and there is something that comes along every day that says "Notice to Editors: Tomorrow’s New York Times is going to have the following stories on the front page." The point of that is, if you’re an editor of a newspaper in Dayton, Ohio and you don’t have the resources to figure out what the news is, or you don’t want to think about it anyway, this tells you what the news is. These are the stories for the quarter page that you are going to devote to something other than local affairs or diverting your audience. These are the stories that you put there because that’s what the New York Times tells us is what you’re supposed to care about tomorrow. If you are an editor in Dayton, Ohio, you would sort of have to do that, because you don’t have much else in the way of resources. If you get off line, if you’re producing stories that the big press doesn’t like, you’ll hear about it pretty soon. In fact, what just happened at San Jose Mercury News is a dramatic example of this. So there are a lot of ways in which power plays can drive you right back into line if you move out. If you try to break the mold, you’re not going to last long. That framework works pretty well, and it is understandable that it is just a reflection of obvious power structures.
    -Noam Chomsky

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    Sure it did.

    Make the argument that Hearst, Scripps, Tribune and CBS aren't mainstream.
    I'll use the definition provided by the source you gave.

    Mainstream; the principal or dominant course, tendency, or trend:

    Local affiliates are not trendsetters nor are they dominant in socio political discourse.

    You should learn how to use resources to boost your argument, not have them work against you.

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    TSA is too ing stupid to understand the criminal, black or white, committing a crime on a black or white is totally different from a cop brutalizing, paralyzing, killling unarmed blacks or whites.
    I guess. No one has explained why the arrests should be national news in the first place.

    I mean Fox/WSJ didn't even give a .

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    I guess. No one has explained why the arrests should be national news in the first place.

    I mean Fox/WSJ didn't even give a .
    Goal post shifting the argument. The argument is only that the MSM is inconsistent and selective with which local atrocities should merit national outrage.

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    TSA is too ing stupid to understand the criminal, black or white, committing a crime on a black or white is totally different from a cop brutalizing, paralyzing, killling unarmed blacks or whites.
    George Zimmerman wasnt a cop.

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    But there are clearly mainstream media sources.

    You want to narrow the definition of mainstream media for the purposes of this particular argument.
    Pigeon hole attempts aside, do you differentiate between "mainstream media coverage" and "national coverage"?

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    I'll use the definition provided by the source you gave.

    Mainstream: the principal or dominant course, tendency, or trend:


    Local affiliates are not trendsetters nor are they dominant in socio political discourse.

    You should learn how to use resources to boost your argument, not have them work against you.
    You should learn to use the actual definition from my source:

    belonging to or characteristic of a principal, dominant, or widely accepted group, movement, style, etc.: mainstream Republicans; a mainstream artist;
    mainstream media.


    Outlets owned by Scripps, Hearst, Tribune and CBS absolutely fit the actual definition you worked very hard to not quote.

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    Goal post shifting the argument. The argument is only that the MSM is inconsistent and selective with which local atrocities should merit national outrage.
    Explain why everyone should be reporting these particular arrests nationally.

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    I guess. No one has explained why the arrests should be national news in the first place.

    I mean Fox/WSJ didn't even give a .
    National or mainstream?

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    Pigeon hole attempts aside, do you differentiate between "mainstream media coverage" and "national coverage"?
    He's no longer arguing that TSA is wrong anymore, he's resorting to having to quantify a concept like Mass Media by using hard numbers. He's now suggesting that MSM means nothing and anything.

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    Pigeon hole attempts aside, do you differentiate between "mainstream media coverage" and "national coverage"?
    I think there are mainstream media outlets in Baltimore that are not national.


    It's pretty simple.

    Saying mainstream media is only national is silly.

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    Explain why everyone should be reporting these particular arrests nationally.
    That's not the argument. Stick to your main disagreement in regards to the definition of MSM.

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    He's no longer arguing that TSA is wrong anymore, he's resorting to having to quantify a concept like Mass Media by using hard numbers. He's now suggesting that MSM means nothing and anything.
    That's your argument. You can't quantify masses so what does it actually mean?

    Nothing for the purposes of defining mainstream media.

    I will accept your desire to drop it since you will never be able to define it.

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    That's not the argument. Stick to your main disagreement in regards to the definition of MSM.
    Done and done.

    You can't keep track of two points of contention?

    I never said this got full national coverage., but saying there was no mainstream coverage at all is silly. Your wish to make them one and the same doesn't make it so.

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    I think there are mainstream media outlets in Baltimore that are not national.


    It's pretty simple.

    Saying mainstream media is only national is silly.
    Baltimore is a big city and the Sun has more resources for investigation and research to actually be a part of the national converstation than a local suburb station or small town source. . The argument is that only certain racial angles are national conversations by Mainstream sources in the national conversation.

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    I already posted the reference. My dictionary definition trumps yours since it actually says mainstream media.

    If you think Heast, Scripps, Tribune and CBS aren't mainstream, you need to explain why -- you are free to use Chomsky to argue against it.

    I agree this hasn't gotten national coverage -- but mainstream media has reported on it.
    Actually yours just says "mainstream". Even then you only posted a link that has several definitions. Which one are you using here?

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    Done and done.

    You can't keep track of two points of contention?

    I never said this got full national coverage., but saying there was no mainstream coverage at all is silly. Your wish to make them one and the same doesn't make it so.
    The original argument was that it didn't get Mass Media coverage which is synonymous with Mainstream Media coverage.

    You lost badly and want to have it both ways.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

    Chump is the fox. The grapes are reality.

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    Actually yours just says "mainstream". Even then you only posted a link that has several definitions. Which one are you using here?
    the one that supports TSA's argument ironically.

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    Baltimore is a big city and the Sun has more resources for investigation and research to actually be a part of the national converstation than a local suburb station or small town source. . The argument is that only certain racial angles are national conversations by Mainstream sources in the national conversation.
    So now the argument isn't the definition of the MSM now after you told me it is?

    Pick a lane gtown.

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    Foxes are smart tho. But good analogy anyway.

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