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I know , and that was my point exactly. Leave it to the Spurs to pull diamonds out of their behinds.
Is DG a good trade piece at 10m/yr flat?
I know , and that was my point exactly. Leave it to the Spurs to pull diamonds out of their behinds.
That's gonna depend upon how well Jimmer does, imo.
well thread le is is our bench worst or better than last year ? depth is a part of it but the talent Spurs got for Beli and Cojo is a significant upgrade. Both Beli and cojo were playing limited minutes off the bench, West would be a 30 mn starter in the vast majority of NBA teams... not sure how this is even a question
It's a question because West won't play 30 minutes with the Spurs, nor will he spend time at PG or SG. This is a case of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. West is a big leader in the "sum" game, but I don't know if you paint the full picture whether he'll make it better than last year on the whole.
most minutes off the bench will go to Patty Manu KA JS (?) west bobo and boban... it is yes better on paper than last year.
a healthy patty is already an upgrade vs cojo, west and potentially boban are 10 times worth baynes ayres again I don't see how it is a debate
West won't be play 30 mn but he will play a significant time mostly against bench guys... he is already a solid starter, not sure how he would not be a tremendous bench dude
Sac was 9-8 at the end of Nov 2014. McCallum was really hot during those 17 games, he played a total of 94 mins. DNP 6 times. About 73 of the mins were in 5 games. And he showed very little.
If you want to make a good comparison for McCallum, try using the months of March and April. He started 26 games. He had much better stats on a sorry ass team. In fact, that may be why the Spurs got him. He delivered a much improved game after Collison was injured. I know he didn't dish out an avg of 7 asst or score 20 pt a game, but he did a great job. His team sucked and had 3 head coaches, but the best help he received came for a player who came at the all star break. ANDRE MILLER. For McCallum, that was like having your on personal coach who also backed you up on the floor. As a starter, he was .452 from the field and .343 from 3 pt.
His numbers were not that much different than Cojo, but he played on a horrible team.
Who didnt see this coming?
I am calling it, bench is better. Anderson will turn out better than Marco in everything but 3 pt. shooting, but Marco's shooting will be replaced by Mills who was off or injured last year... overall Mills/Anderson are better than Cojo/Marco. West is overall better than Baynsie, although I liked Baynes. A real revelation is Boban. Ray's toughness on D, and quicktrigger shot are nice as well.
Add it up, better bench.
2015 Kyle > 2014 Kyle
2015 Patty > 2014 Patty
2015 Manu > 2014 Manu (?)
2015 Boris =/< 2014 Boris
2015 Rocket < 2014 Rocket (< 2013 Rocket)
West > Baynes
Boban >> Ayres
McCallum < Cojo
Simmons << Beli
Butler > Williams
Overall better bench. Shooting is a net loss, but all other skills a net gain.
I like your thinking, but I am thinking Ray can turn out just as good if not better than Cojo in the Spurs. Cojo was never quite a good fit bc he was so reluctant to shoot from 3. I like Ray's quicktrigger. Cojo could go through some real passive phases if he didn't have the ball to make a play for himself. Ray is really aggressive with his shot if he's open, and in general he's looking to score. Cojo was really tough defensively, but Ray has shown me the same hustle in these few games TBH. In terms of passing, it took Cojo a long time to get going in the system, Ray in a short few weeks seems to be getting a hang of it. I would consider it a draw, but bc Ray is not afraid to shoot the 3, he may end up being a better fit for us TBH.
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I agree with your assessment of Cojo's offense. He was another score-first PG, but not a shooting PG. But I loved his defensive moxy. In the long run Cojo was not going to contribute much more than he already did. Now, Ray has not shown me the same defensive moxy, although he shows signs. I regard his offensive game as still untested and especially undeveloped in our system. He could end up being a better Spurs-fit at both ends than Cojo, but at this point he isn't. I hope it happens.
McCallum definitely seems pretty raw, but he's young (24) and hardworking. He's such a likable guy, in his interviews, on the court, and seems like a great teammate. He puts his heart out there every game he plays. He might not be a game-ready backup, but under the Spurs development system, I can see him at least being serviceable.
Here's him being a teammate:
https://gfycat.com/TanIncomparableDwarfrabbit
Here's his welcome interview:
http://www.nba.com/spurs/ray-mccallum-welcome-interview
Very difficult not to like the guy, I'm rooting for him!
Absolutely I am rooting for the guy. I personally like all three of our young guys a lot (Kyle, JSimms and Ray). I am absolutely rooting for all three. I hope Kyle is our next Spur-for-life type player. (To clarify: Spur-for-life is not necessarily a superstar, but a solid contributor.) I hope Kyle is even more, and he shows that he could be. Nothing would make me happier than to believe that both Ray and JSimms could join him in that category and be the next generation of the Spurs' core, along with Kawhi, LMA, Danny and even Patty. (Is adding Boban to my wish list being a totally unrealistic, gushing homer?)
I actually like Boban a lot. He's a rook too, but with more experience and has show glimpses of what he can do already. Its enough to get excited for sure. The only guy I am not excited about much anymore is Simms, bc he hasn't shown much TBH. He is the one that is truly questionable. When a young player (in Boban's case, less young, but big men take longer to develop) already shows you something, glimpses of what he can do, even if he's not consistent at the beginning its enough to get excited. Simms at this level has not shown what he can do. Hopefully it is confidence issues and inexperience, but he's the one I am not counting on.
I just don't see how the bench is worse. You've got David West and a healthy Patty Mills, and you've lost Cojo and Marco. Boban is a wild card and won't play that much.
I guess if Diaw gets old and falls off the cliff that would be a big loss. On the other hand Manu looks like he could be in good shape. I think a healthy Patty will take the place of Marco, and Ginobili will be the de-facto backup point guard.
David West is a big addition. He is a starting player for many NBA teams and is the kind of guy who brings a lot of stability. I also think his defense is better than many here realize. His defense has actually gotten better later in his career, and he brings a certain toughness.
Another way to look at it- Manu, Diaw, Kyle and West are all known as high IQ players who make passes and play for the team.
It's all context. Many of these people on here use stats without any context and then get pissed when someone does the same to prove the counter-claim. These "stat experts" are so intelligent they don't understand that you can find a stat to "prove" anything.
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