Kawhi-Lights

[spurraider21]

One, let's not act like he's Kobe. He takes bad shots sometimes, we can all agree on that but it's not so regular that he's shooting 40% or freezing out teammates. He's not taking shots over 2-3 guys. Two, some of you are too enamored with team ball. Yeah, 2014 was perfect but that style puts a lot of pressure on the system and on average players to shoot out of their minds. Having guys like Kawhi and LMA who can have success in isos is far from a bad thing.

having guys that can succeed in iso situations is obviously important. sometimes, your set plays dont work, a pass gets deflected, etc, and suddenly you gave 8 seconds to reset and get a shot off. in those situations, i'm fine with dumping the ball to kawhi or LMA, and letting them go to work. i just see a lot of times where kawhi gets the ball and goes into iso too early in the clock.

a contested midrange shot is a shot you can get virtually any time you want.

[apalisoc_9]

One, let's not act like he's Kobe. He takes bad shots sometimes, we can all agree on that but it's not so regular that he's shooting 40% or freezing out teammates. He's not taking shots over 2-3 guys. Two, some of you are too enamored with team ball. Yeah, 2014 was perfect but that style puts a lot of pressure on the system and on average players to shoot out of their minds. Having guys like Kawhi and LMA who can have success in isos is far from a bad thing.

The spurs 2014 was an outlier since it's the only team to not rely on offensive star production. It really needs a good balance of Star Power and Team ball. Trying to recreate 2014 is criminal. You can't consistently count on ulative play to beat consistent Star production....I don't believe any team xan ever replicate that team. Atlanta tried to but eventually their players started to wet the bed and with no Star power to go to, they almost lost to a ty wizards team.

The Warriors have a really good balance in terms of playing team ball and relying on star power to generate offense, IMO.

[FkLA]

having guys that can succeed in iso situations is obviously important. sometimes, your set plays dont work, a pass gets deflected, etc, and suddenly you gave 8 seconds to reset and get a shot off. in those situations, i'm fine with dumping the ball to kawhi or LMA, and letting them go to work. i just see a lot of times where kawhi gets the ball and goes into iso too early in the clock.

a contested midrange shot is a shot you can get virtually any time you want.

No. Obviously they need to have set iso plays to get them proper spacing/into their sweet spots. You can't just use their talents to bail you out when goes wrong. Those would truly be low percentage shots.

You need to have a healthy dose of both set plays and set isos. Which Pop does a good job of, and if anything he's guilty of not getting Kawhi enough shots not the other way around.

The spurs 2014 was an outlier since it's the only team to not rely on offensive star production. It really needs a good balance of Star Power and Team ball. Trying to recreate 2014 is criminal. You can't consistently count on ulative play to beat consistent Star production....I don't believe any team xan ever replicate that team. Atlanta tried to but eventually their players started to wet the bed and with no Star power to go to, they almost lost to a ty wizards team.

The Warriors have a really good balance in terms of playing team ball and relying on star power to generate offense, IMO.

elite poster apa raising the bar per par tbh

[spurraider21]

... as if aldridge doesn't provide "offensive star production"

[apalisoc_9]

... as if aldridge doesn't provide "offensive star production"

I was talking about the 2014 run you dumbass. And if you're thinking Aldridge should be the only guy providing Star production, you're even a bigger dumbass than I thought. stick to talking about Turkey.

kawhi and Aldridge are going to offer star Production. That's what the spurs are OBVIOUSLY trying to hope for this year otherwise, you won't see Kawhi on Pace of taking 25 shots a game in pre-season or Aldridge getting a stupid amount of ISO plays. They want a perfect balance of Star production and Points of ball movement....

FYI, Kawhi is a much more efficient Post up player than Aldridge as a 3.

[FkLA]

I was talking about the 2014 run you dumbass. And if you're thinking Aldridge should be the only guy providing Star production, you're even a bigger dumbass than I thought. stick to talking about Turkey.

kawhi and Aldridge are going to offer star Production. That's what the spurs are OBVIOUSLY trying to hope for this year otherwise, you won't see Kawhi on Pace of taking 25 shots a game in pre-season or Aldridge getting a stupid amount of ISO plays. They want a perfect balance of Star production and Points of ball movement....

FYI, Kawhi is a much more efficient Post up player than Aldridge as a 3.

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spurraider=orange jersey

[spurraider21]

i fully expect LMA and Kawhi to be the top 2 scorers... routinely in this thread i've complemented kawhi for his game. i think he can improve his shot selection. i'm sorry that you think he's already reached his ceiling. unlike you, i think he can get better

[apalisoc_9]

i fully expect LMA and Kawhi to be the top 2 scorers... routinely in this thread i've complemented kawhi for his game. i think he can improve his shot selection. i'm sorry that you think he's already reached his ceiling. unlike you, i think he can get better

No one is saying he can't get better. Unlike you, I have already pinned him down as future Hall of famer three years ago and a future MVP candidate years before you become a spursfan in 2013. No one is even talking about his ceiling here.

The topic is if he should be taking midrange shots and if he's making a terrible bad amount of bad shots. The simple answer is, he's an elite Midrage shooter and is going to have the ball in his hand quite a bit this season so he's bound to take some bad shots. Every Player does. Lebron, TD prime, or whoever will take a bad shot or two in a game. That's normal. last night he took 2 at most...1 if we're really going to argue about it.

He isn't taking Kobe or Iverson like bad shots. That's what FLKA is trying to argue for. Stop being obtuse.

[313]

It's probably on the same page as civil engineers who don't know basic calculus

[FkLA]

i fully expect LMA and Kawhi to be the top 2 scorers... routinely in this thread i've complemented kawhi for his game. i think he can improve his shot selection. i'm sorry that you think he's already reached his ceiling. unlike you, i think he can get better

Stop trying to deflect by making it about ceilings or improvement. You said he's 'settling' for midrange jumpers. That's an incredibly stupid statement considering how it's easily the best part of his halfcourt offense.

[313]

"I want kawhi to improve by staying on his comfort zone"

asian reading comprehension

[apalisoc_9]

No don't let kawhi use his part of his offensive arsenal...

[apalisoc_9]

asian reading comprehension

Stop quoting me you moron. I don't like getting ty notifications from ty Irrelevant posters. If you haven't guessed it yet, I don't respond to you and never will. So stop following me around like a used looking for attention.

[313]

Stop quoting me you moron. I don't like getting ty notifications from ty Irrelevant posters. If you haven't guessed it yet, I don't respond to you and never will. So stop following me around like a used looking for attention.

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[313]

Stop trying to deflect by making it about ceilings or improvement. You said he's 'settling' for midrange jumpers. That's an incredibly stupid statement considering how it's easily the best part of his halfcourt offense.

I'd argue his transistion, then post game, then mid range are his top areas of production. Obviously he shouldn't abandon his mid range, but it shouldn't be his highest usage area of scoring as he progresses and starts getting more touches which it looks like he will this season..

[apalisoc_9]

Last year Kawhi made 51% of his two pointers and 48.1 from 10-16 ..In route to getting his team back from contention. If Pop had never instructed Kawhi to just play the game and play his offense, what do you think could have happened in the in the last two months of the season?

48.1....

In comparison, the guy you guys don't have a problem with taking midragen jumpshots..Shot

39.1

Kawhi is BY FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR in A GALAXY away the best midrange shooter in this team. It's part of his game. Why the F would you even argue against it? He took the same kind of Pull ups, post, high Post midrange last year...and he's going to continue taking it.

Not wanting a player to take a shot he's extremely efficient with ...

[spurraider21]

Last year Kawhi made 51% of his two pointers and 48.1 from 10-16 ..In route to getting his team back from contention. If Pop had never instructed Kawhi to just play the game and play his offense, what do you think could have happened in the in the last two months of the season?

48.1....

In comparison, the guy you guys don't have a problem with taking midragen jumpshots..Shot

39.1

Kawhi is BY FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR in A GALAXY away the best midrange shooter in this team. It's part of his game. Why the F would you even argue against it? He took the same kind of Pull ups, post, high Post midrange...and he's going to continue taking it.

he shot 47% from 10-16 feet, not 48.1

and he shot than 42 from 16 feet -3 point line

and his shot attempts from both ranges were virtually identical

[313]

35% from 3 vs 41% from 2, hmm

[apalisoc_9]

He shot 48.1 from 10-16 and 416% from 16< according to basketball reference....not 47.

He's not going to shot 10-16 significantly higher than 16<..otherwise his midrange fakes are going to be useless.

All in all he's shooting the 10-16 and 16< combined at an efficient rate. that's what matters. I'll have a problem with his game if he starts taking more shots in 16< than 10-16...But we all know this discussion was about last night game and the preseason in general and he hasn't shown any sign that he'll shoot the former more than the latter. He needs balance. between three points, 16< and 10-16..it's called being unpredictable.

If he's going to totally abandon 16< he'll more than likely going to lose efficiency at 10-16 just because he'd be super predictable to defend.

[apalisoc_9]

Offensive Options likes Kawhi who have the option to shoot anywhere have the luxury of being unpredictable with where they're going to take their shots..3's, 2's or drives..it's called diversifying an offensive game. It isn't as simple..hey you're better here..make sure you take most if not all of you shots here ok..That's hilariously stupid.

[FkLA]

I'd argue his transistion, then post game, then mid range are his top areas of production. Obviously he shouldn't abandon his mid range, but it shouldn't be his highest usage area of scoring as he progresses and starts getting more touches which it looks like he will this season..

His production in transition is up there but it isn't halfcourt offense. His postgame intertwines with his midrange game, since a lot of his FGAs on post-ups are outside the paint.

[FkLA]

damn apa is obliterating everybody in his path today

[spurraider21]

i pulled my numbers from bball reference. apalisoc ignoring facts

he's using kawhi's shooting figures from 13-14 when he had a more limited offensive role, rather than 14-15 when he became top dog and leading scorer

[spurraider21]

damn apa is obliterating everybody in his path today

lol cheerleader posts

[apalisoc_9]

i pulled my numbers from bball reference. apalisoc ignoring facts

You're ignoring facts, as Always.