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It's typical ST crap though. People expect 10/10 on a nightly basis from the 4th big.
He starts hitting his J ... a little less fouls would be appreciated, but the last two games showed some improvements overall
It's typical ST crap though. People expect 10/10 on a nightly basis from the 4th big.
Now that West is being more decisive with his play, he's starting to get his groove and also bringing his fire to the defense.
LOL during free throws I could hear one of the refs yell to him "YOU MURDERED HIM WEST"
And he had that screw face on NAHH
It's called getting into shape. Although Diaw is a little overweight, he has great stamina. West, though ripped was gasping for air literally the first week on the season with the constant motion offense and defensive rotations the Spurs system requires.
In wasn't that West was ever done, he just wasn't in the playing shape to play with the Spurs. The Spurs literally practice with the A/C off sometimes. Indiana had a very slow pace offense and overall game. Both he and LMA just need time to get acclimated.
If he hits the mid-range at 45% and acclimates to our defensive schemes he'll be what we expected him to be. Seems to be making progress.
You can tell in the last game that he and Boris and even Manu are starting to click as the second unit. He played tough defense goes after rebounds and had some good passes.
Does everyone still feel the same?
I do.
Players who need to go:
Duncan
Manu
Bobo
West
Bonner
I'm on the fence about Miller and Martin.
The Belinelli of big men is a good term. Yuck!
Think he'd be great as the fourth big next to a center next season. I still believe he may end up starting, if only because he fits well with the first unit. If he's willing to come along cheaply for another season, he should be on the team.
Are you serious? Why?
Can understand Miller, as he seems like a good backup PG or especially a third-string PG if Mills gets moved and a rookie is brought in. Martin sucks. That's all there is to it.
^ Yuck!
I'd prefer they don't do that and pick up someone younger and better, or just someone younger with the potential to be better. Dwest is a terrible PnR defender these days and his lack of boxing out really grinds my gears. It won't change no matter who he's played next to.
Edit: I was responding to Chinook idea to start D west next season.
As for Miller I could see him come back as a 3rd string PG. He did well in that role, but I would prefer they draft or trade for someone younger to groom.
Last edited by SAGirl; 06-01-2016 at 12:57 PM.
Mainly because I don't care about either of them. Miller showed that the Spurs desperately need a point guard who can actually pass.
Didn't the Spurs waste enough years putting undersized bigs next to Tim Duncan not to continue to do it with Lamarcus Aldridge? Didn't this year's playoffs teach them anything? Let's get rid of those guys and have two actual centers on the roster. The Spurs are the only decent playoff team I can think of that doesn't have a real center in its rotation.
What the had happened to his jump shot in the last month?
This isn't 2006 anymore. If the Spurs had Prime Duncan now, guys like Bonner would have been obvious plays over the Nazrs of the world. People are really, really overreacting to the OKC loss. Spurs lost because they're support team got old. They weren't going to win the rebounding battle versus OKC, but as GS showed, they didn't need to. Having a tiny front court will probably never be a great idea, but thinking that LMA is a poor center is antiquated. I'm a fan of the Spurs getting a center or two for sure. But fixing the guard situation is a much bigger priority. They simply can't rely on Parker's remaining gas and Green's streakiness and expect to compete.
You want the Spurs to get a starting-caliber center and a third-big caliber center in the same off-season. That's likely not going to happen.
not overreacting Chinook ^ I am with you on a lot of guys, specially young guys who are misjudged too early while they are still learning how to play...
but 35-36 yr. old DWest doesn't box out, he's not even a tough guy. He just slaps ppl around and foul them when they get by him. Yuck! I realized it was Pop. He was really played out of position to begin with, but I do not want this dude starting. I will take no knees Tim starting over D-West.
Heck I would pick up Milutinov from where he's at and throw him in the fire the way Houston picked up Capela's skinny self and threw him out there.
Frankly, I think Boban and Diaw would have been fine. Maybe we don't win 67 games bc it takes Boban a few games to get rolling, but we would have been better in the end. I don't think D-West did us a favor leaving all that money out in Indy. I think Indy told him how it was going to be the way they did with Hibbert and he just chose to not get dealt wherever and do something that was best for him, not for us but for him.
He would be a fine enough 4th big, a bench PF with Boban lets say, for example, but he can't play next to Diaw again and he should not be starting bc his defense has gone the way
He can't stop anybody for the life of him and PF who can put the ball on the floor like the Mirotics of the world? Forget it. WE are better off starting Anderson against those dudes, seriously. Nope. D'West is a bench big at this point in his career.
Starting center next season, I don't know what they do about. If Tim comes back him. Maybe they want Pau Gasol, maybe they put Boban there. I would look at real Center options before I gaze in D'West direction. Just no.
The Spurs had three good centers on the roster in 2006 and they watched the team get bounced out of the playoffs from the bench. I really hope we're past the point where Pop stupidly runs out small lineups.
People might be overreacting to the OKC loss, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the Spurs are as weak at the position as they have ever been, and it really bit them in the ass this time. Pop keeps anticipating this dream smallball matchup that never comes to pass. He's spent ten years preparing for it.
It's not really my fault that the Spurs find themselves in this situation. Again. But it's still something they need. Dwight Howard is likely a pipedream due to his salary, but any actual NBA center that the Spurs can get will be a better starting option than David ing West, so it's not that unrealistic to want some combination of Marjanovic and another big to fill out that rotation. If you're the Spurs, you're not going to be likely to find many takers for Tony Parker who want to give up a starting-caliber pass-first point guard, so if you make a trade it's going to be for a center.
Everything kind of hinges on the Spurs drafting a usable player.
What did you expect them to do? Only thing would have been bringing Milutinov over, and if you remember anything about draft night on ST, you'd know that I went all apoplectic when they drafted-and-stashed him. Like my biggest meltdown on this board. But besides that, what did you want them to do? The idea of relying on Boban wasn't really sound, either, and which centers were on the market that made more sense? Dalembert? Okafor?
This line is hilarious. Like, why would you think anyone claims you had anything to do with ANY of the Spurs' transactions? As far as your trade ideas, yeah, they come up often. There are guys who are available, but the team has to be willing to give up what it takes to get them, even if that means taking on Tyson Chandler's contract. The reality is that you can't plug up all the holes in one off-season. They'll have to plug the biggest one this summer and the second-biggest one next summer. That's all they'll have the money for.It's not really my fault that the Spurs find themselves in this situation. Again. But it's still something they need. Dwight Howard is likely a pipedream due to his salary, but any actual NBA center that the Spurs can get will be a better starting option than David ing West, so it's not that unrealistic to want some combination of Marjanovic and another big to fill out that rotation. If you're the Spurs, you're not going to be likely to find many takers for Tony Parker who want to give up a starting-caliber pass-first point guard, so if you make a trade it's going to be for a center.
I don't agree. They need to draft the BPA, but they can't look for low-ceiling guys just because. Sure, a guy like Brogdon might check the most boxes. But besides him, there isn't any reason to not look for someone who can be a starter in 2018 rather than a rotation player in 2016. You simply don't have many options at 29.Everything kind of hinges on the Spurs drafting a usable player.
I mean, that's how you end up with a David West. Spurs should be looking for the best talent they can add to Kawhi and LMA (and hopefully Green) this off-season. That will likely not be a center. If that's the case, you have the room exception, the min and MAYBE some cap space to find the rest of the big-man rotation. Let's say you have West, some decent, but not great center like Plumlee, and some young guys like Lalanne, Ndoye, Bertans and LJC. How does that rotation shake out? If you think it's not with West starting, I don't know what to tell you except that unless he's the super-sub third big, he's going to be out there at tip-off.
We can complain about it all we want, but in a world where the Spurs get a KD, Conley, Batum or any other marquee free agent, bargain-bin West may be the second-best big on the roster.
You really have a hard on for Lalanne, Nydoye, LJC. No idea why youre even implying that they'll be part of rotation.
Bertans is only one that may have a chance.
He's a terrible fit with the first unit, because outside of passing, he doesn't excel at anything Aldridge doesn't. In 2016, 18 foot range doesn't make one a spacer and he's damn sure not a roller, rim protector or glass cleaner.
If he doesn't retire, I suspect he'd like to return (albeit on a significant raise), but the Spurs need to move on. As much as it pains you and SAGirl, for obvious reasons, Duncan and Ginobili are different animals than the other old guys that are free agents or can easily be moved. All of the others should be jettisoned.
No, antiquated is thinking a player with 18 foot range on offense and limited range on defense, makes sense next to a center in 2016.
Aldridge is no more a full time center than Mills is a true point guard. There's a difference between being physically and stylistically aligned with a position.
The type of team you want to see them build, would see them no longer reign supreme defensively, while still remaining inferior to fellow elites offensively. That doesn't make any sense.
Went completely over your head.
Yeah, I don't think that makes sense at all. You need to space the floor to have post players. That a guy is a roller, rebounder or glass-cleaner doesn't make him any better at spacing the floor. A guy who can shoot from outside spaces the floor, and that's it. Long-twos absolutely do space the floor if the guy who's taking them is elite at doing so. Anyway, I totally expect to see West shooting threes next year with pretty much any team he joins. He has potential there, clearly.
I think this just demonstrates a complete lack of understand in what I and especially SAGirl posts about the old guys. It's an open debate whether the Spurs are better with Duncan and Manu opting in next season. But as far as them being able to do so or the team "wanting them to", that's not controversial. It's just a completely irrelevant point of argument. And of course, I don't want the Spurs to keep the other old guys -- especially not at giving them cap space. But a team under the cap usually lacks depth, and when you're talking about room-exception or min guys this summer, you're not going to be talking about complete players. And unfortunately, some questionable players are likely to be in the rotation.If he doesn't retire, I suspect he'd like to return (albeit on a significant raise), but the Spurs need to move on. As much as it pains you and SAGirl, for obvious reasons, Duncan and Ginobili are different animals than the other old guys that are free agents or can easily be moved. All of the others should be jettisoned.
That's really the antiquated view. There's no archetype for bigs anymore. The goal is to figure out how to maximize the production of your talent. If the Spurs manage to rope a Gasol, then yeah, LMA is a PF. If they find a way to get someone like Millsap (hypothetically, obviously), then LMA will be a center. You just make it work. The Spurs didn't last season. But had Diaw not been so horrible, like probably win that series, and this size issue has little traction.Aldridge is no more a full time center than Mills is a true point guard. There's a difference between being physically and stylistically aligned with a position.
The type of team you want to see them build, would see them no longer reign supreme defensively, while still remaining inferior to fellow elites offensively. That doesn't make any sense.
I know you want the Spurs to essentially be Memphis 2.0, but that's just not going to work. The team will have to rely on being able to defend the best players on the other teams and to be competent defensively. But they won't make it without a better offense. This year showed that. Pace is a big thing, but spacing and talent were bigger things. The team needs scorers and facilitators over defenders. For god's sake, why is that not obvious by now? The team is relying on non-natural scorer Kawhi and LMA to carry the offense. Parker and Green are incredibly inconsistent. Mills is at best inconsistent. Diaw is done. They need to fix that, and that's going to cost money. Will they have money to get the defensive big they should have as well? Not likely. Or they get the big and not the guard, and they'll still be disappointing, but this time, they'll have a lower ceiling. The Spurs have to fix their core before they focus on role-players.
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