Kobe is the mainstream china man take. That should tell you who the better player is
Tim>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .30%
Oh yeah, how can I forget Ewing?
Robinson was a maybe.
I'd say Magic was a legit choice. Lebron was the chosen one, he was supposed to be greater than all who came before him, even straight out of high school. In retrospect, Lebron likely would have benefited with 2 years in college or something like that.
The list of star players in their prime who Duncan had to match up with: Shaq, Garnett, Webber, Rasheed, Ben Wallace, MVPau, Marc Gasol.
The list of star players in their prime who Kobe had to match up with: TMac, Carter, Ray Allen.
Hmmm ....... weaker compe ion? Shaq and Garnett was better than anyone Kobe ever went up against.
Then with regards to the $25M .... how much did Kobe lose in future advertising money with his nightly stink bombs? $100M? $200M?
I think Magic and Lebron because of size and charisma would definitely have been considered. and the fact Magic won at every level was very intriguing ... but when you consider how much the game revolved around pivot play until recently ... not sure that you would even take those two over Duncan as rookies.
Best out of college prospects I ever saw:
1. Ewing
2. Shaq
3. David
4. Hakeem
5. Jordan
6. Durant
7. Webber
Never saw Magic, bird Kareem play except on old school film. Out of the college guys only the centers would I definitely take over Duncan based off their college "tape". Jordan, Durant and Webber would of made me consider them absolutely ...But at the time and even after Jordan I dont think you ever went HOF caliber wing over HOF caliber big until Lebron.
Amazing that he would get you to consider him that based off HS. I saw him play on youtube he was amazing but Tim did what he did against men not players half his height ...smart money would have been on Duncan.
As for Shaq so dominant. I tell you (and this has nothing to do with Kobe) if he TRULY wanted it Shaq would have been the no doubt about it best big since Kareem ... I watched Shaq dunk over and around triple teams in the SEC through hard contact. It was so amazing he was so strong but still quick. Sad he never maxed his potential. Still a dominant HOF'er. But not even ewing was as dominant force on offense. On defense Ewing was the truth the Hoya Destroya was the best defensive center I ever saw in college. In the pros he got better on offense but I thought his defense slipped ...
lol self age
And where did I say the 90s generation, moron? I said players drafted in the 90s only, but the topic of this thread is the generation involving Timothy & Kobe.
So again, fat , where did I specifically mention the 90s generation?
Wilt was dominating 6'8 white guys not only in college but also in the NBA. No player in NBA history is more overrated than the choking got. He was 7'1 with the athleticism of a modern-day Dwight Howard and yet he only managed to win 2 freaking les in arguably the weakest era for big men. 6'9 Russell routinely butf ed Wilt everytime they faced off.
I guess I was looking at it a little differently from you, where it's really more about hype and stuff. Jordan wasn't really that hyped coming out of school. People look at the Bowie pick as stupid, but it wasn't really that bad of a pick at the point, it was a genuine debate.
Webber was just too mentally weak, he was the shaq of pfs with handles but there were questions about his maturity and decision making on the court.
Shaq was the bomb. He would be goat if he had the drive of the other greats. He just never really dedicated himself.
Robinson would've been great with shooters around him. He would have easily been top 10 if he had a better supporting cast.
Durant wasn't that hyped up at least with Oren being the hype. Oden was the better pick at that point. Hindsight is 20/20 but Oden was the next Robinson.
try doing some research.
LA fans, your boy is losing another Sportscenterespn poll
Come off it mate. You know what you inferred and so do I.
You're the one who invoked Shaq, not me. Shaq, who spend 8 years in the league pre-2000 and somehow magically bypasses the Jordan era.
Spin it the way you want, I never referred to the 90s era chubcicle. Why don't you backtrack to your picture of Shaq putting himself in that era that you used to argue against me.
Mitch is Philo 2.0. Tireless rebutter, always responds. lol
Shaq put himself in the 2000's because he didn't want to be compared to Hakeem. Shaq was washed up halfway through the decade. Tim rang in 99, 2003. 2005, 2007 and 2014. Shaq had a peak higher than almost anyone I've ever witnessed, but his era was in the 90's, unless you think a person can spend two 4 year contracts in one decade yet be from the next generation. This aint Star Trek, .
What a ing clown, trying to fight his way out of a paper bag with assumptions and deflections. Hakeem was drafted in '84 you idiot, Shaq a few years shy of a decade later.
Keep pulling assumptions out of your diabetic folds of fat.
1. Jordan was the poty wooden award winner iirc. No one knew he would be GOAT but he was absolutely a star at UNC.
2. DURANT WAS one of the most productive freshamn of the modern era. Sure i live in DFW so i saw him more than most but Bill Simmons and a few other hoops heads argued for Blazers to take Durant. I never saw the grace of adavid even before his knee exploded.hindsight is 20/20 but you can go back and see thst i said Durant was the better player right on these forums.
3. Webber was not only gifted but had huge hands and the best player of the Fab 5.
Look at any "best NBA players of the 90s" list and you'll see Shaq along with David, Charles, Patrick, Hakeem, Michael, Karl, Stockton and such. You won't see Tim.
You're an ass clown if you disagree with that. You cannot be one of the best players of that generation but belong to the next one.
You know, sausage fingers, that's the second time you've misread a simple sentence to fit your own autofellating shtick. I'm cashing out, either you're too dumb to talk to or being stupid is your defense mechanism.
Mitch, losing per par and quitting like Kobe.
Shaq entering league in 1992, only 4 years after David but somehow in the same generation as Lebron who entered in 2003. lol...
It doesn't matter which generation you put Shaq, Duncan is still the overall better player. People are still living off the memories of "peak Shaq" and wrongly rating him on his offense dominance only, as old media type of fans (like Mitch) tend to do. Indeed, Shaq was a tier above Duncan in scoring, but Duncan was tier above on defense. Duncan was also better at the "little things" like pick setting and adjusting to game conditions. Their passing out of double teams and to cutters is about even, but Duncan is a much better outlet passer.
The two players are close, but Duncan edges Shaq out as the more complete and effective player.
Brah, you a Yaya dub fan?LA fans, your boy is losing another Sportscenterespn poll
She's aight man, cute sometimes. I like Nadine more tbh.
It actually does if you're comparing generations and someone uses the 3pt as evidence. That's fine, but Shaq was closer to David's generation than Tim's. Shaq just wasn't motivated early in his career, else we'd be like "Wilt who?"
Yeah Nadine is pretty damn hotShe's aight man, cute sometimes. I like Nadine more tbh.
Apir tbh
You would seriously pick that bum over Tim? Wilt was a mental midget who simply dominated by just being bigger and more athletic than everyone.
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