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Yeah, being fat has nothing to do with athleticism which is why Shaq's athleticism didn't decline in a matter of 2 seasons ('00 to '02) when he put on weight.
Extrapolated from a sample size of 8 minutes. LMAO at the GK (de Gea) even being tracked for speed.
There is a reason why the guy is an end of the bench scrub & not world-class.
Here is where I tell you a bench warmer is supposed to be a scrub.Trying to spin it as if making it to top 1 or 2 league in the World out of a talent pool of BILLIONS isn't a world class feat.
This weird looking thing is known for being slow as . I wish we had sprint speed data on him, but we don't. Doesn't look at all strong and probably can't jump worth a :
He was a top 30 goal scorer during the 2014/15 season.
A top 30 goal scorer in a top 2 league in the World that billions of people are trying to make it into from birth.
"That's not world class."
Yeah, being fat has nothing to do with athleticism which is why Shaq's athleticism didn't decline in a matter of 2 seasons ('00 to '02) when he put on weight.
I guess he could have still carved out a HOF career if he was on a wheelchair as long as he's taking his PEDs.A 180lb soccer player being stronger than a 260lb 6'3" baseball player
Quit in' deflecting you stupid piece of . Is strength an important athletic trait or not? Does David Ortiz have ELITE strength by professional athlete standards or not?
Show me an article by "BBWA certified writers" that talks about the AL MVP race.I'm talking about BBWA certified writers.
Yeah, Tim was an elite defender except against the team that was built to expose him on defense. There is a reason he came off the bench to play garbage minutes for the first time in his career against the Duds.Tim was an elite defender. +5.43 DRPM, and none of your dumb spinning will change that fact.
A top 30 goal scorer in a top 2 league in the World that billions of people are trying to make it into from birth.
"That's not world class."
This guy led the NBA in three-point field goal percentage for a season in the BEST league in the World by a mile that hundreds of millions of people are trying to make it into from birth but only 446 roster spots are available.
"That's not world class."
"Basketball is the only athletic game out there."Yeah, being fat has nothing to do with athleticism which is why Shaq's athleticism didn't decline in a matter of 2 seasons ('00 to '02) when he put on weight.
Can you be any more re ed?
Rugby players:
NFL players (laugh all you want, but these guys are posting 5.0 40 times at 350lb and are strong as all ):
Boxers:
MMA:
Wrestling:
But if you want to keep in' spinning because it pains you to admit baseball players are athletic, then I'll just use your logic and say that, "yeah, being a midget has nothing to do with athleticism, which is why you don't see midgets become GOATs in any ball sport aside from soccer. There's no GOAT level 5'3" tennis players, basketball players, baseball players, rugby players, volleyball players, ice hockey players, field hockey players, Aussie Rules players, Rugby League players, etc, etc, etc.
So does physique define athleticism or not?
All play a sport where BRUTE strength is the MAIN pre-req & skill is secondary."Basketball is the only athletic game out there."
Can you be any more re ed?
Rugby players:
NFL players (laugh all you want, but these guys are posting 5.0 40 times at 350lb and are strong as all ):
Boxers:
MMA:
Wrestling:
Mayweather is the best at his sport despite his MAIN weakness being his strength.
Speed/skills > strength
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Now we're spinning by talking about PEDSI guess he could have still carved out a HOF career if he was on a wheelchair as long as he's taking his PEDs.
Show me an article by "BBWA certified writers" that talks about the AL MVP race.
Yeah, Tim was an elite defender except against the team that was built to expose him on defense. There is a reason he came off the bench to play garbage minutes for the first time in his career against the Duds.
Holy you're pathetic. Worse than DSF. You just can't admit the obvious.
I don't need to show you . At no point over the past 5 years and maybe further back has the MVP being awarded to a player who didn't at least rank top 5 in WAR. Ortiz is in' 12th. He's not in any "race."
Tim was an elite defender. A bad matchup vs. one team doesn't change that. And we still don't know how Tim would've actually performed against them if he got minutes. He played 20 minutes and his +/- was better than Kawhi's
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...604070GSW.html
Just. Stop. Spinning.
FIFYBesibol player can't stop abusing PEDS
So, you're a "BBWA certified writers"?I don't need to show you . At no point over the past 5 years and maybe further back has the MVP being awarded to a player who didn't at least rank top 5 in WAR. Ortiz is in' 12th. He's not in any "race."
Oh, Tim w/ the Bonner garbage time +/- gemAnd we still don't know how Tim would've actually performed against them if he got minutes. He played 20 minutes and his +/- was better than Kawhi's
Since when IS STRENGTH NOT AN ATHLETIC TRAIT?All play a sport where BRUTE strength is the MAIN pre-req & skill is secondary.
Mayweather is the best at his sport despite his MAIN weakness being his strength.
Speed/skills > strength
And
Whatever. You're too prideful to admit baseball players are athletic because of the few fatties, so now I'm sticking with the idea that soccer players aren't athletic because a in' midget is the best player of all-time. And another midget is the current top 1 or 2 player in the world.
You wanna do a sig bet that Ortiz doesn't win the MVP?FIFY
So, you're a "BBWA certified writers"?
Oh, Tim w/ the Bonner garbage time +/- gem
Speed/skills > strength, work on your reading comprehension.
Brute strength & skill are two different things which is my point.And
EXACTLY! Just like Maradona would run circles around Ortiz. I knew you would finally come around.Yeah, go put a Power Lifter in a wrestling match and see him get decimated in 30 seconds. Wow. You're spinning more than when a soccer player spins to the ground after flopping. Jesus Christ.
Ortiz winning & being an MVP candidate are TWO different things.
I missed your edit. And lol at including skills when we are talking about ATHLETICISM. Skills have nothing to do with that.
Which athletic trait is more important depends on the sport, you dip . Yeah, a wrestler needs to make sure he can run a 4.5 40 and worry about his strength training later
A rugby prop needs to have blazing speed before he needs to have 275lb of bulk.
A shotputter needs to have superior lateral quickness over massive strength.
Strength=speed as a core athletic trait. What is more important depends on the sport, something you don't seem to get.
Skill is irrelevant. Again, we're talking about athleticism. You wake-the- -up and stay on topic.Brute strength & skill are two different things which is my point.
And Ortiz would lift circles around him. What's your point?EXACTLY! Just like Maradona would run circles around Ortiz. I knew you would finally come around.
I'll take that as your concession of knowing in your heart (but too proud to admit) that there's no hope in of a player who ranks 12th in the definitive advanced metric winning the MVP. That's like Paul Milsap winning the MVP last season.Ortiz winning & being an MVP candidate are TWO different things.
Do you want to admit error in this case or are you going to keep spinning and citing bloggers?
Except in futbol you need to have it all to be world-class without abusing PEDs.
Except a rugby props are at the bottom of the totem pole & tend to be the least skilled players.A rugby prop needs to have blazing speed before he needs to have 275lb of bulk.
Ashton Eaton struggles at the events that require brute strength such as shot putting but the guy is the Greatest Athlete in the World & it's not even close.A shotputter needs to have superior lateral quickness over massive strength.
Seems like he works out w/ Ronaldo:Strength=speed as a core athletic trait. What is more important depends on the sport, something you don't seem to get.
Ortiz would have to catch Maradona first......And Ortiz would lift circles around him. What's your point?
I'll take this as a concession that you can't find an article by "BBWA certified writers" refuting Ortiz's MVP worthiness.I'll take that as your concession of knowing in your heart (but too proud to admit) that there's no hope in of a player who ranks 12th in the definitive advanced metric winning the MVP. That's like Paul Milsap winning the MVP last season.
Do you want to admit error in this case or are you going to keep spinning and citing bloggers?
Doesn't look like it to me. (
Oh, but "world class" is your personal definition of it.
Except a rugby props are at the bottom of the totem pole & tend to be the least skilled players.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT SKILL YOU IDIOT. . Rugby props are strong as , therefore athletic.
Except he doesn't?Ashton Eaton struggles at the events that require brute strength such as shot putting but the guy is the Greatest Athlete in the World & it's not even close.
He's a top 10 shotputter (out of 30 entrants). Top 11 discus thrower. And a top 4 Javelin thrower (here's where you spin javelin throwing, when in fact, the two Indians who won that Million Dollar Arm compe ion were Javelin throwers
Baseball players are athletic. As proven by the average MLB vertical of 28" (2" shy as Ronaldo's, the supposed highest leaper in soccer). The 6 or so MLB players who have ran faster than Walcott. The average 19.5 mph sprint speed. The arm strength that can throw a ball from 90-105mph. The core strength that can drive a baseball 500 feet. And oh yeah, most of these players are 6'2" 225lb on average.
No amount of spinning will change those facts.
Find me an example of naldo doing a standing 60" box jump? Oh, that's right, you can't.
Keep
There doesn't need to be one since no writer worth his salt would consider a 12th WAR player an MVP candidate.I'll take this as a concession that you can't find an article by "BBWA certified writers" refuting Ortiz's MVP worthiness.
Yeah, a bunch of "writers" were also pimping Kirby as a potential MVP candidate in 2012/13:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...as-2012-13-mvp
Don't have RPM going back that far, but Kirby ranked 10th in PER. He had zero chance of winning it in 2013. We were already a good 3 or 4 years into the first wave of the advanced stats era by then.
Ortiz has zero chance of winning it this year. And I don't consider a zero chance a "candidate."
What a piece of article. the OP for posting it.
He kept using "Duncan was the #1 option" as an argument against him
And the killshot:
With that revelation, Marra decided to incorporate baseball techniques into the daily training sessions of his prized pupils of Aston Eaton as they began preparation for the 2015 outdoor track and field season.
Baseball was actually Eaton’s first sport.
Growing up in La Pine – a small town in Central Oregon about 30 miles south of Bend – he played on multiple teams each summer, including travelling all-star squads until he was 14 years old. Eaton was a shortstop, batted lead-off and his forte was stealing bases.
“(Ashton) was just as dominant then as he is now,” Stiles said. “We put him at lead-off, and if he made contact, he was on first. Usually, two pitches later, he was on third after stealing both bags. He would then either steal home or score on a wild pitch. If he got on base, it was like a sure run.”
http://gotracktownusa.com/inside_tra...ning-concepts/
Just know that the greatest athlete in the world was a baseball player in his formative years and incorporates baseball techniques into his workout. No wonder he smashes all those Euro athletes raised on floptrot
I think we're done here.
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Looks more buff than this guy:Doesn't look like it to me. (
There is no position is futbol where it requires you to be in a scrum so no need for roided up meat heads.WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT SKILL YOU IDIOT. . Rugby props are strong as , therefore athletic.
Which is REALLY BAD compared to his best events.He's a top 10 shotputter (out of 30 entrants). Top 11 discus thrower.
And a top 4 Javelin thrower (here's where you spin javelin throwing, when in fact, the two Indians who won that Million Dollar Arm compe ion were Javelin throwersHis weakest events are the throws, and that’s where he has room to blow up his score. His best javelin mark last year was 203 feet in London.It's not his worst event but in any case his struggle in the HJ has nothing to do w/ his athletcism.His worst event is the high jump.
Look at how he broke the world record despite losing a rediculous 171 pts on the javine throw:
Roman Sebrle Ashton Eaton Performance Score Running Total Performance Score Running Total 100m 10.64 942 942 10.21 1044 1044 LJ 8.11m 1089 2031 8.23m 1120 2164 Shot 15.33m 810 2841 14.20m 741 2905 HJ 2.12m 915 3756 2.05m 850 3755 400m 47.79 919 4675 46.70 973 4728 100mH 13.92 985 5660 13.70 1014 5742 Discus 47.92 827 6487 42.81m 722 6464 PV 4.80m 849 7336 5.30m 1004 7468 Javelin 70.16m 892 8228 58.87m 721 8189 1500m 4:21.98 789 9026 4:14.48 850 9039
There is no place in futbol's big leagues for meat heads & speed burners if that's their best asset. Just ask Adam Gemili.Baseball players are athletic. As proven by the average MLB vertical of 28" (2" shy as Ronaldo's, the supposed highest leaper in soccer). The 6 or so MLB players who have ran faster than Walcott. The average 19.5 mph sprint speed. The arm strength that can throw a ball from 90-105mph. The core strength that can drive a baseball 500 feet. And oh yeah, most of these players are 6'2" 225lb on average.
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Oh, those good ole draft combine bio metrics that don't translate in an actualy game.
Let's look at the 2011 NBA draft combine results:
-Bench press:
Lane Agility:
Modified Lane Agility:Norris Cole 10.07
Andrew Goudelock 10.33
Jimmer Fredette 10.42
Scotty Hopson 10.47
Isaiah Thomas 10.49
Brandon Knight 10.74
Marshon Brooks 10.74
Cory Joseph 10.75
David Lighty 10.81
Jon Leuer 10.82
Kemba Walker 10.87
Norris Cole 5.05
Jimmer Fredette 5.11
Andrew Goudelock 5.13
Brandon Knight 5.27
Cory Joseph 5.27
Jon Leuer 5.34
Scotty Hopson 5.34
David Lighty 5.35
Marshon Brooks 5.37
Tristan Thompson 5.40
Vertical:
-Dimmer: 33.0
-Kawhi: 32.0
Conclusion: Dimmer is a better athlete than Kawhi.
That explains his weak arm.Just know that the greatest athlete in the world was a baseball player in his formative years and incorporates baseball techniques into his workout. No wonder he smashes all those Euro athletes raised on floptrot
Looks more buff than this guy:
Yes, because they're difference sports. And like you need stamina in soccer, you need strength in rugby, and both are as legitimate of athletic traits as one another.There is no position is futbol where it requires you to be in a scrum so no need for roided up meat heads.
Which is REALLY BAD compared to his best events.
He finished top 4 in Javelin (really bad
Kawhi is not a great athlete. Slow ass first step. Poor vertical. Poor acceleration. And I guess a top 5 worst bench press (he's obviously worked on his core strength, though). Jimmer was a touted as a below average athlete, as well.Conclusion: Dimmer is a better athlete than Kawhi.
Guess why he's a good offensive player now? Because he developed a skill set. A good outside shot thanks to Chip. And a good post game. But Kawhi isn't really torching the lane like Westbrook or Lebron. And on the defensive side, he has the advantage of that freakish wingspan, large hands, and is an intelligent defender on top of that.
Don't know what this proves or your point? What that combine metrics don't translate to being a good basketball player, soccer player, baseball player, etc? Of course they don't, because in most sports, you need a skillset and "IQ" to accompany athleticism. But we're not talking about skills or bballIQ. We're talking about athleticism, and you can save yourself a lot of googling if you just admit baseball players are great athletes. Not that hard.
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The Javelin is the only pure throwing event and he finished 4th in the last World Championships. (My good friend was a shotputter in HS, and I used to try it out for giggles, and if you try to throw it, you're wrecking your elbow. You almost have to "push" it with your body. And the Discus is more about core and hips than arm strength).That explains his weak arm.
Keep spinning.
(Now it seems you're implying baseball players have weak arms
http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/7395516...w-home-for-out
Anyhow, killshot is delivered. Greatest athlete in the world ain't looking to floptrot for inspiration on how to improve, he's looking toward baseball and was a baseball player for the first half of his life
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