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Acting like we give a what a bum says? Isn't that what bums do?Another one of Chris Paul's former teammates that hated playing with him
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And by the way, who are these stupid ing pundits?
I've never had Clips as favorite to come out the west.
Acting like we give a what a bum says? Isn't that what bums do?Another one of Chris Paul's former teammates that hated playing with him
Starts at 6:10..
What PG other than maybe Curry isn't ball dominant? And like TD21 said what's the alternative?
He's a former All-Star, broActing like we give a what a bum says? Isn't that what bums do?
Another one of Chris Paul's former teammates that hated playing with him
Starts at 6:10..
Big Baby and K-Mart dictating what's best for the Spurs or quality of a player??
He's still a bum right now.He's a former All-Star, bro
I'm pretty sure 99% of the people that work with CP3 would say otherwise.
I have yet to meet someone that wasn't hated by someone. It happens. It doesn't define you though.
He also gave reason why he's ball dominant...Nobody on the Clippers can create for themselvesHe's still a bum right now.
I'm pretty sure 99% of the people that work with CP3 would say otherwise.
Same people saying Kawhi is a ball dominant player.
Like guys, he is doing that because of cir stance.
Same people saying Kawhi is a ball dominant player.
Like guys, he is doing that because of cir stance.
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3 more pages in 2 hours? what happened?
That's part of the point..his teams are built that way, he can't effectively play with other stars..
He's played for 2 different franchises in the NBA, with a bunch of different teammates and many different coaches, yet he has never altered his style of play..what a coincidence
At the end of the day, you're always going to be forced to rely on him to make the big plays with the ball in his hands, and he will always fail vs. the better teams, due to his size..not necessarily his fault, but it's the reality..
More rumours leaked. Rumour has it the CP will meet with the Spurs. Rumours have it that Clippers have legit concerns that Spurs will prior him away. These rumours are accurate imo because no other team has been linked to CP.
What guard can take his duties away from him?That's part of the point..his teams are built that way, he can't effectively play with other stars..
He's played for 2 different franchises in the NBA, with a bunch of different teammates and many different coaches, yet he has never altered his style of play..what a coincidence
That's part of the point..his teams are built that way, he can't effectively play with other stars..
He's played for 2 different franchises in the NBA, with a bunch of different teammates and many different coaches, yet he has never altered his style of play..what a coincidence
Yeah and his best players on the wings have been Peja, and Red ...
And again what elite PG other than Steph isn't ball dominant? And Hill, Holiday, Rose, Teague aren't better fits either..you still haven't answered the question of what's the alternative
I know you have this shtick of Curry being this ball-hog/chucker, but he's not.
The salaries of LMA, KL, TP, Green, Murray, Bertans, Forbes, opt-in Lee, plus stretch Duncan and waived LJC come to $62,600,000. That leaves roughly $38,400,000. Bring over Mulitunov for $1.2 million and Hanga for $1 million and you are at 36.4. That's 10 players. Add the 29th pick (Bell?) for $1.2 million and you are down to about 35.2. Sign Simmons for $7.5 and you are down to $27.7 million. Take off $2 million for 2 more cap holds and that leaves about $25 million for Paul. Paul signs a 2 year contract starting at $25 million with a player option for the 2nd year. He opts out next year and the Spurs sign him to a 4 year deal starting at $35 million. With the raises is a total 5 year income of roughly $183 million vs. the Clips $205 million. However, Paul will pay an additional $13.6 million in taxes on his Clip contract that he won't with the Spurs making the Clips contract worth $192 million. Really a $9,000,000 difference over 5 years. That could leave us with the following team:
Paul/Murray/Forbes/Post-Op Tony
Green/Simmons/Ginobili with a vet min/
KL/Hanga/Kyle
Lee/Bertans/29 pick?
Aldridge/Mulitunov/
Ginobili could play 3rd string PG if needed. Kyle can play the 4. Simmons the 2.
I'm not saying that I would be thrilled with the last 2 years of the contract, but Murray would be ready to go by then for sure. I'm just saying that the arguments that he leaves so much money on the table or we have to gut the team is bunk. We lose Pau, Mills and maybe some draft choices getting rid of Pau (but maybe not).
This is very much just an excuse. He's been "the best player" on a team with multiple All-Stars more than once. I don't care if each individual year there's some rationale for him not making it. He should have made it one of those years. That's all on him.
Again, this is an excuse. If he's not good enough to be a first option, why are people trying to say he is? Those stats that make him seem like a top-five post-season player and this thread in general paint him out to be some no-brainer superstar for whom the team should bend over backwards. Those types of players get to the third round.- In history of league, small guard led teams generally don't win deep in playoffs.
He already does that now. But instead of him going off like he did against Memphis, you'll get him being a taller version of Re . Would be great for Kawhi's TS%, but I doubt anyone but maybe me would be okay with him not going Kawhiso/Kawhichel.- Leonard doesn't "need ball" because he's elite shooter, who'd get more catch-and-shoot spot ups playing with elite play maker.
Aldridge not being a vagina (and Pop not enabling that) in the WCF would move the needle. You don't need a max PG for that. You need guys who can get buckets against good defense and guys who can defend players much better than them.- Other options would require at least somewhat significant movement, are significantly worse and wouldn't move needle.
Most important is a healthy team where everyone is playing better. LMA's game was not hampered by a lack of a PG; it was hampered by piss-poor offense. Pop had one job to do as it pertained to getting LMA to play his best, and he couldn't ing do it. That only underscores why thinking Paul is going to be different is wrong-headed. Pop's going to end up with an offense that is 60-percent Paul dribbling, 30 percent Kawhiso and 10 percent LMA fadeaways. Long gone is the coach that actually leveraged his players' talents.- Can't have everything. Most important is star studded big three (he'd make things so much easier for Aldridge on offense).
Blaming Pop for LMA being a hurt ****.
I've been saying it for years now, but it took DJ getting an All-Star appearance and an All-NBA team in a season where he regressed for all the mainstream vanilla fans to finally see how overrated he is
Next year is going to be DJ's tenth season in the NBA. I'm not expecting him to become prime Hakeem, but is adding one ing post move to his game really too much to ask after a decade in the league?
CP3 has been known to go too far with his criticism of teammates. I think most people know that. However, he has done it because no one has put him in his place. I'd argue that CP3's behavior on a Pop coached team will not be an issue. Kind of like Rodman on the Bulls. You come here, its our way, not yours and you will fall in line. The biggest issue with Paul is his health. He's had some fluke injuries with his hand and has also suffered some hamstring issues.
Pop won't be here much longer (2 or 3 years maybe) and its about maximizing their chances at winning. To get CP3, Danny is going to be the most likely candidate to get moved. As much as people think the Spurs won't move TP, think again. Moving TP & Danny can get you the $25 or $26 Million you need to get Chris Paul. If you are able to get him for those two, it's a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned. It won't be easy for some fans to swallow but TP's days as a Spur are most likely over. The Spurs will not sacrifice what is best for the team to placate some fans' nostalgic wishes.
If you bring CP3 in, Manu would probably come back too - which is a huge win for culture purposes. Paul's basketball IQ & compe iveness would go far in helping the Spurs win another Championship. If they can make the #'s work and Paul is serious about joining them, it will get done.
Blake can, he's just not allowed to when Choke-P is out there hogging the ball. Don't you wonder why nobody likes playing with him?
I detailed in a long post about how to bring Paul over somewhere. SAGirl may remember where it is. But things to consider are:
Most of the small exceptions and salary slots have increased, which retroactively increases the salaries of most of the cheap guys. My salary thread in TT has those increased salaries. While I'll never claim to be perfect, those numbers are more accurate than most ones from this season, because they factor in the new rules.
Lee should opt out. It makes no difference to him monetarily, but it would save the Spurs millions on the cap if they re-sign him after using cap space.
Simmons should not count in this scenario beyond his cap hold, which is less than $2 Million. So that's more space you save.
This is what I am getting from a glance:
Name 2017-18 LaMarcus Aldridge $21,461,010 Kawhi Leonard $18,868,625 Tony Parker $15,453,126 Danny Green $10,000,000 Tim Duncan (stretched) $1,881,250 Kyle Anderson $2,151,704 Dejounte Murray $1,312,611 Livio Jean-Charles (waived) $1,035,200 Jonathan Simmons (QO) $1,671,382 Davis Bertans $1,312,611 Bryn Forbes $1,312,611 First-Rounder $1,697,225 Roster Charge (Hanga) $815,615 Roster Charge $815,615 Calculated Total $79,788,585 Projected Cap $101,000,000 Projected Cap Space $21,211,415
Dumping Parker would give the Spurs the team enough to sign Paul to the max, but ideally, you'd want to save some money for a starting big. You almost certainly could get a ring-chaser for that.
Paul, Murray, Ring-Chaser, two-way d-leaguer
Green, Simmons, Hanga
Leonard, Anderson, Ring-Chaser
Lee, Bertans, First-rounder
Aldridge, Room Exception Big, Ring-Chaser, two-way d-leaguer
Bringing in Nikola would be possible, but it would count as an extra million bucks against the cap.
A big 3 of Leonard, CP3 and Aldridge can definitely challenge the Warriors, Cavs but what concerns me is the pieces left on the roster. If Spurs can sign CP3 I think Manu gives it another year, Lee seems to like it in San Antonio. So Spurs would have to make some brilliant moves with this roster. Not sure what will happen with Parker, but Derrick Rose might take less and could sub in for CP3 if Spurs have to unload Parker's contract for cap space (if Rose's ego can accept it, but if he wants to win I say yes). I hope Pau restructures his contract instead of opting in, in which Spurs would probably trade him. Spurs probably lose Green and Parker is CP3 decides to be a Spur.
Last edited by Chillen; 06-02-2017 at 06:32 PM.
Captain Jack thinks it's a no-brainer for CP3.
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