Whats the hold up on Simmons??

[HarlemHeat37]

Really hope this Hanga can at least play effective defense at the NBA level, tbh..

[Chinook]

Really hope this Hanga can at least play effective defense at the NBA level, tbh..

If Simmons walks, Hanga and White will be battling for minutes at the two. Would be an interesting battle for sure. If Hanga is have the player he was in Europe in SA next year, they'd have a great defensive foundation.

[DaBears]

Quite honestly, from the admittedly small sample size IMO White has a real shot to surpass Murray in the rotation. He seems to make all round better decisions.

White is older than Murray, and has a more polished game at this point.. That's the difference from what I have seen in Summer league.. That's not to say summer league is any indication of actual real game play as a lot is left to be desired in the games in Summer league.. But back to White he looks decent at this point on the offensive side, all rookies suck on D side though.

[spurs10]

White is older than Murray, and has a more polished game at this point.. That's the difference from what I have seen in Summer league.. That's not to say summer league is any indication of actual real game play as a lot is left to be desired in the games in Summer league.. But back to White he looks decent at this point on the offensive side, all rookies suck on D side though.

I don't think Murray is 100% and that's why he didn't play today. I think there will be a healthy compe ion between Murray and White.

[HarlemHeat37]

Knicks just signed THJ to an offer sheet

[dabom]

Knicks just signed THJ to an offer sheet

[Ice009]

Knicks just signed THJ to an offer sheet

I don't follow the Knicks, but when he got traded, even though I don't follow them closely, I was wondering why the heck they traded him in the first place. What a bunch of idiots.

[Spurs9]

Knicks just signed THJ to an offer sheet

4 year 71mil, he played well in a few games I saw him last year, not sure what a decent contract for him would be.

[DPG21920]

4 year 71mil, he played well in a few games I saw him last year, not sure what a decent contract for him would be.

Patty Mills type deal at best would be fair for him.

[Chinook]

Knicks making sure ATL wouldn't match the THJ deal, and the Hawks are like "You coulda stopped at half that."

[buttsR4rebounding]

Knicks making sure ATL wouldn't match the THJ deal, and the Hawks are like "You coulda stopped at half that."

Atlanta had an offer of 4 years/$48 million on the table. If they don't match then the Knicks likely do not offer Simmons anything although Atlanta may be in the mix then.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I do find it comical, although justified and predictable that Simmons appears to have an offer from SA but he's spending max time trying to find a better one to force SA to pay more.

If that is fair game, then SA should definitely lower their offer as his suitors dry up. If he wants to play that game, and I would too if I were him, he has to live with the consequences as well if the market for him is not what he hoped. Spurs don't need to bid against themselves.

There has to be consequences to saying "No". With the Nets likely signing KCP, good chance of the Knicks getting Hardaway it is starting to look like Simmons has overplayed his hand. That should definitely cost something.

[BatManu20]

[Dverde]

This is beginning to remind me of Stephen Jackson's first free agency. Spurs offered a fair deal, player decides to sit on it. Money dries up. Spurs pull offer. He'll probably sign a two year deal with a player option for 2nd.

[Chinook]

That article is re ed. There's no difference between a $30M/3 and a $40M/3 from a cap perspective.

[buujness]

More bad news for Simmons. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...-caldwell-pope

[Hoops Czar]

I do find it comical, although justified and predictable that Simmons appears to have an offer from SA but he's spending max time trying to find a better one to force SA to pay more.

If that is fair game, then SA should definitely lower their offer as his suitors dry up. If he wants to play that game, and I would too if I were him, he has to live with the consequences as well if the market for him is not what he hoped. Spurs don't need to bid against themselves.

That's actually not what he's doing at all.

[purist]

Whit has looked good in SL

Not the Whittington I've seen. cant catch pass, can't finish consistently.

[TheGreatYacht]

Whit has looked good in SL

^ racist

[sasaint]

Not the Whittington I've seen. cant catch pass, can't finish consistently.

The guy musta meant "White" as in Derrick White. I agree.

[DPG21920]

That's actually not what he's doing at all.

It's exactly what he's doing. And that is both normal and fine.

[Hoops Czar]

It's exactly what he's doing. And that is both normal and fine.

But, it's not. Simmons isn't the one holding up the process and he's not playing a game. No team to my knowledge has even made him a formal offer yet but it wouldn't be in his best interest to take the first offer on the table if there's the slightest chance he could receive more. The Spurs also aren't bidding against themselves. They set his market value at around 9M. If he takes it, great. If he doesn't, C'est la vie. Lowering the contract offer would leave a scarred relationship between player and FO and it wouldn't be prudent for a team that prides itself on culture and loyalty. It's pretty evident the Spurs want him back hence, the 9M offer.

[DPG21920]

If he doesn't think the Spurs offer is fair, (which he's wrong, very obviously regardless of if one stupid team does something stupid) then it's exactly what he's doing.

He has a perfectly legit offer from Spurs that actually appears to be too high based on his market value. He's simply trying to leverage SA into paying him more (which again, is fine, but it works both ways).

[Russ]

What is the deadline for offer sheets to restricted FAs? That's what we (and Simmons) should be focused on.

Did the Spurs bluff their way to re-signing Simmons for less than value?

[Chinook]

What is the deadline for offer sheets to restricted FAs? That's what we (and Simmons) should be focused on.

Did the Spurs bluff their way to re-signing Simmons for less than value?

Pretty sure it's some time in March.It seems the Spurs have Hanga on retainer waiting for Simmons to make up his mind. If Adam is willing to come over for the min, I'd send Jonathon on his way. Much better long-term value, and Hanga's earned the right to play in the best league in the world.