Probably, depends on the financing.The more I think about it... Austin. That complicates matters and I think it's clear that it would be more trouble than it's worth to bring Austin into the mix.
Having lived in both, I wholeheartedly agree. Regional planning will happen soon enough, but the next couple of years probably isn't that time.
My apologies. But so many people in Austin are from somewhere else, and they have their own allegiences.
And they don't mind driving, as long as it's north. They think San Antonio is just a bunch of Mexicans eating tacos in front of the Alamo.
In re 'vultures'....
I think that would die down a little come next fall. Sure, Benson would piss off a lot of people in South Louisiana and Mississippi so that means that the NFL would suffer some kind of drop-off in its ratings in...South Louisiana and Mississippi. Something tells me that the NFL wouldn't care that much about that. Besides, the league has the rotting corpse of Brett Favre's career to keep South Mississippi tuning in every season.
If Benson continues to balk at relocating to LA as well as selling his team, then I think the league might resign itself to Benson's wishes. Also, if the team officially relocates next season or beyond, then the PR hit the league would take over 'abandoning' New Orleans would be much less.
One corridor in and out of Austin? Well, if you choose to discount US 290 and SH 71. I guess if I ignore I-10, I-37, and US 281, there's only one way into San Antonio as well.
But anyway, once you get into Austin, there are any number of ways to get to the stadium, and any number of places to park. Austin is a major city, after all.
How are you going to do that in Hays County?
The NFL has pretty much said that a stadium will have to have on the order of 100 luxury boxes (as opposed to the Alamodome's what, 16?).
You really think you're going to have corporate support for that many boxes without Austin?
Yep.
Besides, if people are willing to drive long distances to an NFL game from north Austin, they're probably already driving to Irving and aren't likely to switch allegiances.
How many NFL markets rank below SA? Jacksonville, NO, Buffalo, and maybe Indianapolis? Kansas City? I don't think I can include Green Bay due to Milwaukee.You have the team's existing market which is actually less attractive than SA's.
Depends on why the stadium would need to meet those specs. Would it be to get league assistance for the new stadium?
If SA can't stand alone without help from a city 90 miles away, it shouldn't be thinking about the NFL in the first place.
My understanding is that is would be a requisite for approval for getting the TEAM.
The NFL is under a revenue sharing sysem, and they want each team to pull its weight.
Indy and KC are better markets, easily.
How many NFL markets rank below SA? Jacksonville, NO, Buffalo, and maybe Indianapolis? Kansas City? I don't think I can include Green Bay due to Milwaukee.
What about Nashville?
Given how diametrically opposed Tagliabue is to a team in SA, exactly why are people thinking Benson would get league assistance for a new stadium there?
I don't see the NFL lobbying too hard to get Al Davis a better deal in Oakland.
The most the Alamodome can put it in its current configuration is...64. I think.
But isn't that just TV contracts? I would think that JJones wouldn't want to share his local area revenues with anyone.
Is that where most of the fans come from? And once they get into town how do they get to the stadium? I-35. It's not my fault Austin was such a poorly planned city but there you go.Well, if you choose to discount US 290 and SH 71.But how do most folks usually get to the SBC Center?I guess if I ignore I-10, I-37, and US 281, there's only one way into San Antonio as well.I'd probably speak with the good people of Foxboro.How are you going to do that in Hays County?
Which is why they want a team in Los Angeles, rather than San Antonio.
An apathetic L.A. with a privately-financed stadium still would generate a great deal more revenue than a fiercely loyal S.A., unless S.A. offers a sweetheart stadium deal.
And given that Mayor Hardberger won't even consider city money for a stadium, there aren't any sweetheart deals on the horizon.
Indianapolis is closer to Chicago than SA is to Houston, right? It's like a little under three hours in the car.
With Tennessee as their name and not Nashville, I figure the ans are supposed to appeal to a regional following like Carolina.
I'm really getting more into wha hink than whatIknow, but I thought there was something like a 60-40 split of the local revenue, too.
It's 38 according to a google search of the wire services.
So what would it cost for a new stadium? As a rough guide, Reliant Stadium in Houston cost $325 mil and was open for business in 2002.
I just can't see SA, a city where CA Stubbs still holds some pull, agreeing to a public project of that magnitude.
You'd almost have to see the city give Benson a dirt cheap lease on the Alamodome plus, um, some "incentives" for the next 5 years. Let San Antonians experience having their own NFL team for a little while and then hit them up for a new stadium...
Has anybody in this thread stated yet that they think ANYBODY--the city, the county, the state, private--would actually build a new stadium ANYWHERE for an SA team?
Either that or let the team play in SA for three or four years until Tags and the NFL find some uber-rich Angeleno to buy out Benson and agree to build a privately funded new stadium, and leave the Alamo City at the altar.
Even buying the dog-ass Saints with their cursed history is better than s ing out over a billion dollars just for a seat at the grown-up's table, before stadium and staffing costs.
I don't believe today but after having a NFL team for, oh, say 5 years, yeah, I think that SA could be cajoled into agreeing to some kind of deal. I'd also suspect that the value of a naming rights deal would be considerably more than it was on the SBC Center.
Problem is, SBC would probably be hit up again for that.
(proposed/under construction) Arlington Stadium, DAL- $650M
Lincoln Financial Field, PHI - $512M
Ford Field, DET - $500M
Reliant Stadium, HOU - $450M
(proposed/under construction)Minneapolis Stadium, MIN - $450M
(proposed/under construction) New Orleans Stadium, NO - $450M
(proposed/under construction) San Diego Stadium, SD - $400M
Gillette Stadium, NE - $397M
INVESCO Field at Mile High, DEN -$364M
Qwest Field, SEA - $360M
(proposed/under construction) Glendale Stadium, ARI - $355M
Heinz Field, PIT - $280M
Yep, this is the best NFL chance for SA yet. But as you point out, it's not a matter of just getting the Saints into the Alamodome. Planning for a new stadium would have to begin immediately.
So there are no Longhorn fans east or west of Austin? I seem to remember a large metro area about 180 miles to the southeast, that has about a quarter of the state's population by itself... do they use I-35? Seems like a rather roundabout way.Is that where most of the fans come from? And once they get into town how do they get to the stadium? I-35. It's not my fault Austin was such a poorly planned city but there you go.
Or do all UT graduates end up settling in Dallas or San Antonio?
So, once in Austin, assuming that everybody crams onto I-35 and that nobody can read a map and figure out how to get over to that "MOPAC" thing and park on the west side of campus, does Austin not have a grid of surface streets like other cities? Does everybody just have to drive single file to a handful of entry points to the stadium and fill just the one parking lot? Given how small the lots are around DKR-Memorial, what do they do when they fill up?
That's weird -- most college campuses I've seen have a whole bunch of parking lots scattered over a wide area all over campus, and reserve a bunch of them on game days for incoming fans. Apparently they don't do that in Austin, nor do they use existing city parking lots for special events. They must be really bad at logistics not to use all that existing infrastructure.
At least that's how it would have to be, in order for your comparison of UT games to NFL games in BFE Hays County not to be a complete crock of .
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