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I'm just saying that both things are passed down through essentially only word of mouth.
I've got a work day tomorrow as many others may have. I gave you something to think about but I was really speaking to the original question in this thread, MaNuMaNia. There are some Old Testament writings from pre-Roman and pre-Greek empire times foretelling of a Messiah. These writings point to historical occurances and some of these point to Jesus. I'll leave that to you to investigate for now.
xcoriate - it sounds like you believe in an after-life of some sort if you ask what it matters if you were to find God after death. Yes, we have to "find" God but I don't think He has to "find" us. I'm convinced He knows where we are.
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I'm just saying that both things are passed down through essentially only word of mouth.
Solid D, I think you're not understanding what I'm saying. Writings can prove only so much when it comes to religion. No writings are going to be able to prove without a doubt that God exists and that Jesus was his son. There is no incontrovertible proof in religion, there will never be, short of a visit from the man himself. Face it, it is the fate of every religious man to be plagued with self doubt and for every atheist and agnostic to have grounds for disbelief. What you are saying is not enough, it is merely a bases for people to validate their faith, which is lets face it "blind" and not based on concrete evidence. No amount of writings is ever going to change that.
True, the medium is the same, and equally as unreliable. however, what each is trying to convey is radically different, and that makes all the difference in the world.
I believe all the atheists on this board are partying with Jesus at the Hard Rock Cafe.
Mass recruiting is how a church stays in business, especially those non-denominational megaplexes. I spend money on stuff that makes me happy, like a six pack of beer, a new novel, or sporting event tickets. If giving money to a church makes others happy, that's their business. Just don't expect me to do it. This point ties into the "I'm right and you're wrong" religion theory. It's the same type of belief in a religion as in a deity for plenty of Christian sects. There's only two ways they'll ever learn if they are right or not: either their God comes down and tells them or they die and find out.
Holy wars, on the other hand, are ignorant no matter who starts them.
Funny how when hits the fan for atheists...the emails start pouring in.
MaNuMaNia, I see what you are trying to say. My comments addressed some of the earlier posters thoughts. Your premise is different in that it questions what the correct religion is and that there can be no total proof.
Yes, you are correct that there is no ultimate proof other than through God himself. Faith is required to some degree regardless of what you believe. I know what I am saying isn't enough, it is only a thimble-full, late at night but it will hopefully cause someone to think and realize that maybe they haven't really looked into the history of the world enough to form a solid belief or judgement on this. There are whole other issues to be addressed, namely hope and where our choices cause us to end up.
I believe Jesus of Nazareth existed. I believe he was a moral and compassionate person. I believe that his followers truly believed he was the messiah.
But was he really the son of God? I don't know.
I mean I went to church growing up because my mother was religious. But it never gave me peace. I think that is the whole point of being religious. You believe to give yourself peace. If it doesn't work for you, maybe you should look for something else that does give you peace.
I loved the movie "The Seventh Sign." There was that great scene when the young, Jewish scholar, that was helping Demi Moore's character understand the signs of the apocalypse, had a revelation, challenging his own religious education by wondering, what if every religion is wrong? Who will decide who goes to heaven and who will go to ? I don't think anyone really knows.
But if your beliefs makes you happy and give you peace in your life, more power to you. Just don't force your beliefs on someone else.
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Question.
With all the millions of different individual creatures on earth and with the fact that humans without man made weapons would get killed in seconds living in the wild, , during the dinosaur era, milliseconds.
With all that, with the fact that there are more species of bugs than any other. With tons of new ones found on a daily basis.
Why is God a "him" when described by people of religion? Why is the son of God a human? Why is it simple for humans to distinguish that Superman is a fictional character yet they can’t do the same with Jesus.
humans weren't around when the dinosaurs were roaming the earth, but I do get your point
Yes, I know, that's why I posed it as a hypothetical question.humans weren't around when the dinosaurs were roaming the earth, but I do get your point
Although, there were many different periods of the dinosaur era. I'm sure there was an ancestor or two of the human around back then.
Is Johnny Damon in town?
Caviezel!!Is Johnny Damon in town?
Ok I'm gone for tonight, later
Or discredit other's beliefs.
Time to say my prayers and hit the bricks.
Solid I was raising a hypothetical however to answer your question.
I don't think I believe in an afterlife I just hope there is one. The chances in my mind of an afterlife are slim to none but that doesn't stop me from hoping there is one.
Yeah really. There better be this place everyone calls "heaven." Anything's got to be better than this crap down here on Earth.
Death is going to be just like what it felt before you were concieved by your two parents.
Do you remember those days? It's gonna be a blast!
Finally, God has spoken.Death is going to be just like what it felt before you were concieved by your two parents.
Do you remember those days? It's gonna be a blast!
We can all throw our Bibles away and skip church now, because now we have the answer to all of our questions.
So I ask you, when someone goes into that chapel and they fall on their knees and they pray to God that their wife doesn't miscarry, or that their daughter doesn't bleed to death, or that their mother doesn't suffer acute neural trauma from postoperative shock, who do you think they're praying to? Now, you go ahead and read your Bible, TheWriter, and you go to your church and with any luck you might win the annual raffle. But if you're looking for God, he was in the "Any atheists here?" thread on October 24th , and he doesn't like to be second guessed.
You ask me if I have a God complex?
Let me tell you something:
I AM GOD.
A question for believers: If god is allpowerfull, can he create something not even he can destroy?
There is no point in believing in god...
To believe in God you must have faith and mine cannot be shaken.
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