Giving up contract year Danny Green was a very very stupid thing to do

[DMC]

It doesn't matter. If Pop cared about Danny at all he would have wanted him in a good situation. SA isn't in a good situation.

[TD 21]

Gasol instead of Green and I would have been much higher on the trade.

Green would've solved our defensive issues on the wing and made it much easier for the Spurs to have a good defense. Aldridge playing more at center with Poeltl, Gay and Bertans filling out the big rotation would have allowed for the Spurs to play more modern more often too

Losing the s bag for nothing was never a viable option, which left 3: 1) Make a fair trade, 2) Retain him to start the season and see how things go, 3) If repairing the relationship proved untenable after a few months, trade him by the deadline for whatever they could have got.

Since 1 clearly wasn't on the table, they should have done 2 and if worse came to worst, 3. Instead, they panicked, embarrassed themselves and have become something of a laughing stock while watching their counterparts, the Raptors, bathe in an endless sea of praise.

The timing likely influenced the Timberwolves approach, but finally a team is strong arming one of these divas instead of kowtowing to their demands.

[gambit1990]

would’ve been cool to get siakam or og.

[Fusternino]

I mean, I still think we can get a SF in next year's draft who would be just as good as OG. Gay is looking more and more like a steal of a signing.

[daslicer]

Losing the s bag for nothing was never a viable option, which left 3: 1) Make a fair trade, 2) Retain him to start the season and see how things go, 3) If repairing the relationship proved untenable after a few months, trade him by the deadline for whatever they could have got.

Since 1 clearly wasn't on the table, they should have done 2 and if worse came to worst, 3. Instead, they panicked, embarrassed themselves and have become something of a laughing stock while watching their counterparts, the Raptors, bathe in an endless sea of praise.

The timing likely influenced the Timberwolves approach, but finally a team is strong arming one of these divas instead of kowtowing to their demands.

I have read the other boards and I don't see anybody laughing at the Spurs. I have also heard national media commentary on the trade and the majority of people feel the trade was the best the Spurs could do. Don't know how that qualifies the Spurs as a laughing stock. The Wolves are getting nothing out of forcing Jimmy to play other then another first round exit and Jimmy bailing on them next summer. If anything the Wolves have been the laughing stock of the league just by the way they have handled the Butler situation and also the spat they got into with Riley.

You have to be naive to believe the relationship was salvable considering there are reports how the Spurs desperately tried to fix things with Kawhi but ultimately they couldn't resolve things during the summer. Believe it or not I originally wanted the Spurs to strong arm Kawhi and force him to comeback this season but looking back this would not have been a viable long term solution for the Spurs. Spurs were not beating the Warriors after they acquired Demarcus Cousins. There would have been nothing good the Spurs would have gained after having a 1 year rental of Kawhi. Kawhi would have just left next summer. I know you will say Derozan will leave when he's FA. That could be the case but I feel if the Spurs give him the money that there is a high chance he will stay.

Ultimately I see the Raptors losing this trade unless they get a le this year which is highly unlikely. Raptors fall of 2019 will be Lowry and a bunch of good role players. Kawhi will bail on them next summer and sign with the Clippers. I don't ever see Kawhi winning a le unless he forms a super team so ultimately Spurs will break even. You are just overreacting like a on PMS.

[BackHome]

True Dat

[ceperez]

I have read the other boards and I don't see anybody laughing at the Spurs. I have also heard national media commentary on the trade and the majority of people feel the trade was the best the Spurs could do. Don't know how that qualifies the Spurs as a laughing stock. The Wolves are getting nothing out of forcing Jimmy to play other then another first round exit and Jimmy bailing on them next summer. If anything the Wolves have been the laughing stock of the league just by the way they have handled the Butler situation and also the spat they got into with Riley.

You have to be naive to believe the relationship was salvable considering there are reports how the Spurs desperately tried to fix things with Kawhi but ultimately they couldn't resolve things during the summer. Believe it or not I originally wanted the Spurs to strong arm Kawhi and force him to comeback this season but looking back this would not have been a viable long term solution for the Spurs. Spurs were not beating the Warriors after they acquired Demarcus Cousins. There would have been nothing good the Spurs would have gained after having a 1 year rental of Kawhi. Kawhi would have just left next summer. I know you will say Derozan will leave when he's FA. That could be the case but I feel if the Spurs give him the money that there is a high chance he will stay.

Ultimately I see the Raptors losing this trade unless they get a le this year which is highly unlikely. Raptors fall of 2019 will be Lowry and a bunch of good role players. Kawhi will bail on them next summer and sign with the Clippers. I don't ever see Kawhi winning a le unless he forms a super team so ultimately Spurs will break even. You are just overreacting like a on PMS.

I agree, the Spurs got the best deal that was available at the time.

Kawhi is an asset that's unpredictable. He's controlled by his family. Raptors have this year to deliver a finals showing and hope they can still resign BOTH Green and Leonard. Meanwhile, Spurs have two players that they don't have to worry about in signing for next 3 years!

[vy65]

I have read the other boards and I don't see anybody laughing at the Spurs. I have also heard national media commentary on the trade and the majority of people feel the trade was the best the Spurs could do. Don't know how that qualifies the Spurs as a laughing stock. The Wolves are getting nothing out of forcing Jimmy to play other then another first round exit and Jimmy bailing on them next summer. If anything the Wolves have been the laughing stock of the league just by the way they have handled the Butler situation and also the spat they got into with Riley.

You have to be naive to believe the relationship was salvable considering there are reports how the Spurs desperately tried to fix things with Kawhi but ultimately they couldn't resolve things during the summer. Believe it or not I originally wanted the Spurs to strong arm Kawhi and force him to comeback this season but looking back this would not have been a viable long term solution for the Spurs. Spurs were not beating the Warriors after they acquired Demarcus Cousins. There would have been nothing good the Spurs would have gained after having a 1 year rental of Kawhi. Kawhi would have just left next summer. I know you will say Derozan will leave when he's FA. That could be the case but I feel if the Spurs give him the money that there is a high chance he will stay.

Ultimately I see the Raptors losing this trade unless they get a le this year which is highly unlikely. Raptors fall of 2019 will be Lowry and a bunch of good role players. Kawhi will bail on them next summer and sign with the Clippers. I don't ever see Kawhi winning a le unless he forms a super team so ultimately Spurs will break even. You are just overreacting like a on PMS.

Assuming all the personnel issues came to light during the summer, why give up after a few months of trying. After one year, PG bought in to OKC. Could and should have tried the same with Kawhi.

Point is there’s no telling what will happen in a year. It’s conceivable he stays in Toronto, especially if they’re winning. How’s the front office look if that happens?

[Darius Bieber]

It’s like going from a Ferrari to a Honda

Ehhh more like a Mitsubishi Mirage tbh

[kobyz]

Spurs were too panic, instead of trading him they should let kawh play out the year and see what happened, who know what would happened at the end, but anyway, one year of kawhi worth more than three years of damar...

[ElNono]

I don't know whose ratings of Green's defense you've been reading but that recovery block of his against Curry mid-chuck would be the zenith of any defensive specialist's resume in this modern, chuck-happy nba. Can you name any other player who has stuffed a Curry 3 as textbook clean as Green did? the best I could do in pick-up games is occasionally plant a fingertip on a released ball. Green's feat needed extensive scouting, exquisite timing and cat-like reflexes. He probably counterfaked Curry into thinking he fell for the first fake when he wasn't completely off-balanced as he first appeared, so add IQ to that. See, the fact that we are not even sure what fundamentals went into that block means there's not enough words said and written about said block, so by definition it's underrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C27yHs3FJ0k

Danny Green played 520 games with the Spurs, and the memorable is one play out of one game? I mean, I don't want to sell Danny too short, but he's been on the decline the last couple of seasons, and he's never been a lockdown type of guy either. When his offensive game was on, he was a solid player to have, and he's always been relatively cheap talent for the Spurs. So I'm not really complaining, but the overall feeling is that he reached his ceiling with the Spurs, and I actually think it's a good opportunity for him to reinvent himself somewhere else.

[TD 21]

I have read the other boards and I don't see anybody laughing at the Spurs. I have also heard national media commentary on the trade and the majority of people feel the trade was the best the Spurs could do. Don't know how that qualifies the Spurs as a laughing stock. The Wolves are getting nothing out of forcing Jimmy to play other then another first round exit and Jimmy bailing on them next summer. If anything the Wolves have been the laughing stock of the league just by the way they have handled the Butler situation and also the spat they got into with Riley.

You have to be naive to believe the relationship was salvable considering there are reports how the Spurs desperately tried to fix things with Kawhi but ultimately they couldn't resolve things during the summer. Believe it or not I originally wanted the Spurs to strong arm Kawhi and force him to comeback this season but looking back this would not have been a viable long term solution for the Spurs. Spurs were not beating the Warriors after they acquired Demarcus Cousins. There would have been nothing good the Spurs would have gained after having a 1 year rental of Kawhi. Kawhi would have just left next summer. I know you will say Derozan will leave when he's FA. That could be the case but I feel if the Spurs give him the money that there is a high chance he will stay.

Ultimately I see the Raptors losing this trade unless they get a le this year which is highly unlikely. Raptors fall of 2019 will be Lowry and a bunch of good role players. Kawhi will bail on them next summer and sign with the Clippers. I don't ever see Kawhi winning a le unless he forms a super team so ultimately Spurs will break even. You are just overreacting like a on PMS.

- I was talking about the national media. Only antiquated types think this was a good trade.
- Laughing stock, in the sense that they now have the an hesis of the ideal team in this era, while gifting the Raptors the ideal team in the process.
- At least the Timberwolves haven't (yet) caved with an embarrassing trade.
- Never said the relationship as salvageable, genius. Said it was better to find out in season than accept pennies on the dollar, when they could have done the same later. Since DeRozan was half salary dump, the Raptors probably do him and Poeltl (but no pick) in season.
- Spurs weren't beating the Warriors once the biggest 3 aged out and no one was once that puke Durant signed.
- Presuming they want him in 2 years, think it's more likely than not DeRozan re-signs.
- Raptors win the trade no matter how it plays out because it was worth a shot even if he leaves. If he doesn't, the trade looks even worse on the Spurs.
- You're underreacting like a racist s bag.

[vy65]

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[daslicer]

Assuming all the personnel issues came to light during the summer, why give up after a few months of trying. After one year, PG bought in to OKC. Could and should have tried the same with Kawhi.

Point is there’s no telling what will happen in a year. It’s conceivable he stays in Toronto, especially if they’re winning. How’s the front office look if that happens?

Spurs tried for a ing year to resolve the issues with Kawhi. It's the reason why allegedly they passed up on a trade with Boston before the trade deadline because they believed the issues Kawhi was having could be resolved. Michael C Wright reported during the summertime how Kawhi hid and ran from Spurs team doctors when they tried to meet him in the NY NBA headquarters. That's when I was convinced the relationship was beyond repair. Kawhi by doing what he did in NYC proved to be a brainwashed basket case controlled by his uncle. The way him and his uncle felt about the Spurs was never going to change. They were adamant for the relationship to come to an end hence why Kawhi faked injury for a year and was unreachable for the most part. Kawhi was leaving and the only way he stays was if the Spurs became the LA Spurs.

It's funny you say it's conceivable that Kawhi would stay in Toronto if they are winning considering the Spurs were always winning when he played full seasons. They had 2 back to back 60 plus win season with him and he still wanted out. I really do believe Kawhi has a huge ego and believes that he can win anywhere regardless of the talent around him so winning is not going to be enough for Toronto to keep him. There is a small chance in that he could stay in Toronto and if he does then I will admit the Spurs lost the trade but the odds of him staying in Toronto is as high as Trump going a day without telling a lie. 90 percent chance Kawhi will be a Clipper next summer.

[YGWHI]

It doesn't matter how bad or injured he looked that last season, I still wanted Danny on my team. But after reading this article, I'm happy for him in Toronto. Raptors media is showing him ton of love.

"Danny Green is a champion, a 3-and-D stalwart, and a locker room spokesman. Before that, he was lost and had to find his own way."


https://www.sbnation.com/2018/10/19/...-kawhi-leonard


A great work, absolutely must-read.

[Uriel]

As I have been saying from the start, the Spurs should have held on to Kawhi and played out the season. Then, once he'd established he was healthy and the Spurs make the WCF, offer him the supermax in the summer. There was no way he would've walked away from that.

[Hoops Czar]

It doesn't have to mention them. It just confirms that other teams knew Kyrie was available in June. The Spurs (who would only trade Aldridge for a star) were talking trade with Cleveland at the same time that Cleveland was initially trying to trade Irving.

I already answered why they took LMA off the block and why they gave up on an Irving trade by August.

It doesn't confirm anything other than a rumor claiming Cleveland and Phoenix were working on a blockbuster surrounding Bledsoe and Irving. This has nothing to do with the Spurs whatsoever. There were rumors that the Spurs were engaged in trade talks with the Cavs involving Aldridge and possibly Green but for Kevin Love, not Kyrie Irving.

https://247sports.com/nba/cleveland-...idge-53290188/


https://us.blastingnews.com/sports/2...001794483.html


Regardless of what you think, Aldridge was not going to be traded for another guard with Tony Parker, Dejounte Murray, Manu Ginobili and presumably at some point, Mills already occupying spots on the roster while leaving the Spurs with only a 36 year old Pau Gasol as the only capable big.

The Spurs were dangling Aldridge before the draft to see if they could move into the top 10 of the draft. A trade with Phoenix was intriguing because it was the only team holding a top 10 pick that could acquire Aldridge with confidence that it isn't just a one year engagement. Nothing was even remotely close to happening because the Suns weren't giving up their 4th pick. All the interaction between Pop and Aldridge during this time about "only trading Aldridge for a star" was coach speak. Players and coaches will say whatever they need to say in order to diffuse a situation. He also said that his demands for Kawhi Leonard were really high and then a week or two later, he settled for a salary dumped Demar DeRozen. Yet, he had all summer to hunt and search for a trade with future value and upside with plenty of time to revisit the DeRozen trade proposal if nothing materialized. Toronto was so desperate to offload DeRozen's contract, they were willing to risk one year of Kawhi in order to rid themselves of it. Throwing Danny in for free was just the Spurs' FO adding insult to misery.

[daslicer]

- I was talking about the national media. Only antiquated types think this was a good trade.
- Laughing stock, in the sense that they now have the an hesis of the ideal team in this era, while gifting the Raptors the ideal team in the process.
- At least the Timberwolves haven't (yet) caved with an embarrassing trade.
- Never said the relationship as salvageable, genius. Said it was better to find out in season than accept pennies on the dollar, when they could have done the same later. Since DeRozan was half salary dump, the Raptors probably do him and Poeltl (but no pick) in season.
- Spurs weren't beating the Warriors once the biggest 3 aged out and no one was once that puke Durant signed.
- Presuming they want him in 2 years, think it's more likely than not DeRozan re-signs.
- Raptors win the trade no matter how it plays out because it was worth a shot even if he leaves. If he doesn't, the trade looks even worse on the Spurs.
- You're underreacting like a racist s bag.

1. Like I said before national media has said this was the best trade the Spurs could do considering the cir stance. I know you are stupid but damn your reading comprehension sucks.
2. So they gifted the Raptors a great team for 1 year whose best case scenario is getting curbstomped by the Warriors in the Finals. I consider gifting when a team wins a championship off a trade ala Lakers with Kobe,Gasol,Kareem.
3. What's the point of keeping Kawhi a few months longer if they are going to get a penny on the dollar trade anyways. I actually think Spurs would have gotten worse offers if they kept Kawhi longer considering no team would be stupid enough to trade even a good asset like Demar for 3-4 month rental. Spurs were in a lose lose situation with Kawhi considering players in the last year of their contract don't get much in return plus Kawhi's demand to go to LA scared off a lot of potential suitors. Look at the Kyrie Irving trade the Cavs did that's the type of trade you are more likely to get more so than a PG type of trade.
4. I'm glad you were smart enough to realize the Spurs weren't beating the Warriors. Proves a broke clock is right at least twice a day.
5. Derozan is a LA guy. That's the only place I could see him wanting to leave the Spurs for but I doubt the Clippers or Lakers will be interested in him in 2 years. More likely he stays if the Spurs give him the max and you gotta factor in the no state tax. Also with the Spurs he's allowed to maintain the same type of role he had with the Raptors.
6. Raptors winning the trade all depends on the results of it. Don't be stupid this is a results oriented league. If they end up with not winning a le and Kawhi leaves they will end up looking stupid since they gave up an all-star caliber player in his prime just for a 1 year rental. They will start feeling that pain when they are a 30 win team next season without Kawhi. I can admit the Spurs do end up losing on the trade if Kawhi stays with the Raptors.
7. at calling me a racist. Yes you can say I'm a racist but I tend to hate all races equally. I don't think there is a superior race since all races have flaws. I like to say proudly it's because I'm intolerant that I'm tolerant.
8. I recommend that you buy some tampons to help deal with the PMS you are suffering from due to Kawhi's departure.

[YGWHI]

In two days I know more of Kawhi's trade (how and who young Spurs' executive took charge and control negotiations in the draft night and next month) & Danny's bio than in their many years in SA.

Rest NBA media>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jeff McDonald

[skin27]

Danny played horrible vs wizards hahahah

[cd021]

I mean, I still think we can get a SF in next year's draft who would be just as good as OG. Gay is looking more and more like a steal of a signing.

Man I hope so. I think if the Spurs end up in the teens again then Hunter is a good and realistic option and would allow for the Spurs to keep the Raps pick to draft and stash another player at the end of the first round.

[therealtruth]

Still should have kept him and commend him at least play out his contract, what will be will be...

The Spurs decided to choose Pop over Kawhi since it was obvious Pop was the reason behind all the championships. We'll see who wins a championship first.

[Prose]

Raptors have all the assets that I had hoped the Spurs would get after Duncan.

They got a mobile shot blocking big in Ibaka.
A top notch point guard in Lowry with a pretty good backup in Van Vleet.
Green and Leonard - really the two guys who anchored the Spurs elite defense.
Two long, athletic and young guys - Siakam and Anouby

It's depressing to watch!

Couldn’t say it better myself. Worst part is I can’t escape this since I’m in Toronto visiting my in-laws. my life

[daslicer]

The Spurs decided to choose Pop over Kawhi since it was obvious Pop was the reason behind all the championships. We'll see who wins a championship first.

Neither will win another le. Don't see Kawhi winning in Toronto. I'm betting he will go to the Clippers. Unless the Clippers create a super team then he's not winning there either.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Neither will win another le. Don't see Kawhi winning in Toronto. I'm betting he will go to the Clippers. Unless the Clippers create a super team then he's not winning there either.

clippers can give him max 140-150m using their capspace
plays closer to home...
winning? i doubt he cares anymore...