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    That's awesome to hear Pop probably wants to coach another three years. I was already resigned to him leaving after the Olympics. I can't imagine anyone pining for the days of Cotton Fitzsimmons, Jerry Tarkanian, John Lucas, Bob Hill, and so on like so many here seem to be wanting. Pop getting 48 wins out of this roster in this conference with his second best player in street clothes was a of an accomplishment. Losing Dejounte for the season after he had developed a jumpshot was just a crushing gut punch and I saw this as a 38 win team with seemingly all our defensive talent either in Toronto or injury rehab. I would have thought you were ing nuts if you told me this team would win 48 after the ACL tear.
    Without the development of Derrick White, this team would have for sure been the team you thought they were going to be IMO.

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    yeah...get in here gots and carve those arms up


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    The jostling for seeding and 2nd round appearance is all the Spurs have to look forward to north of the lottery, as long as GS remains a 3 piece band.

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    patty is a mistake and belli was never meant to get so many minutes but that changed when murray went down. i would be shocked if the spurs didn't go after a shooter or two this summer. this was never going to be the year for SA, even with leonard. by the houston model, i meant the model in which we go after a chris paul because it's what a team is supposed to do. how has that worked out for houston? the teams that are at the top now are some of the same team who probably had similar fans ing about the lack of a roster or system just a few seasons ago (boston, philly, portland and denver). milwaukee got lucky with the freak. golden state was a result of building through the draft and being the winner of the KA sweepstakes. the spurs have ended a run that would have put most teams back into the lottery and yet they are a team that could be a top 4 seed next season or out of the playoffs depending on what changes are made and who develops. arguments against that, at this point, are dependent upon a static dynamic.
    Except the Spurs did go for CP3, infamously grossly overpaying Pau Gasol, who had opted out of his deal to give them wiggle room to his own advantage.

    I know what you want to say, but how you arrive there is dishonest. It would be better to say, I am a fan who appreciates what Pop has done in the past, not eager to get away from the last remaining vestige of the Spurs most successful seasons and in honor of that let Pop continue what he's doing and as a fan I am going to like It and eat it all up. Yum! That is honest.

    In truthfulness, for me Pop resigning is meh. I don't know anyone who would do a better job (not my job to scout and interview potential HC) and despite my criticism, the most recent couple of seasons have been challenging for Pop, but every team has challenging seasons and this year Pop had his couple of all stars (or former all stars) healthy. I do think the Spurs need to be more progressive when it comes to basketball. I care less about the politics from him and his lectures than what he has to Still do with baske basketball. Pop used to be very innovative and kept on top of the basketball scene or even started trends. No more tbh. It can't be helped, wheels were going to fall off at some point and Pop has kept the team from bottoming out. So I suppose that's to be commended but honestly dissenting opinions abound.

    I Still do wish for fresh takes from the coaching staff and FO.

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    I agree, but Number Two forcing his way out is a of a mitigating cir stance. I think Pop (the president) did the best he could with what he had, while you're just judging on results, imo expecting the impossible.
    The only thing Leonard is responsible for is his personal absence from the roster. Otherwise, the roster is totally on PATFO.

    Of course the loss of a great player diminishes the team. No question.

    There's no expectation of the impossible. There's the expectation of doing things that make sense.

    For example, it doesn't make sense to have four 3pt specialists on a team that shoots the fewest 3ptrs in the NBA. That's just odd. And that is certainly not Leonard's fault, neither the number of 3pt specialists, nor the little use made of them.

    Much more could be said, but the season is over. A rehash is pointless. We'll have to wait and see what next season brings. Not just more of the same, I hope.

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    You are an idiot, he is not.
    You are an idiot, and I am not.

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    It’s a players league.

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    “spurs ownership believes he’s en led to manage his future as he wishes.” that’s exactly what i’ve been saying about how he’ll never be held accountable. dude has a blank ing check.
    No , that's what happens when you've more than any other coach in organizational history....

    "But, but, but, make him accountable for (blank)......."

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    Right, and the point is that PATFO built this team before the Number Two trade, as if they could patch things up and keep him and Danny around. The roster would have been perfectly fine without the trade. Blaming PATFO for the trade is fair game, but putting all the focus on the free agency period is not appropriate imo. I can't think of one team that wouldn't be completely discombobulated by trading its best player after nearly all the important free agents have already signed their contracts.
    No, no, no, you can't let perspective and thoughtfulness affect your thoughts on Pop's "flawed, archaic roster" and moves.......

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    Great points about the transition year to what exactly. IMO they have been in this state since Tim retired and every year it's a new transition year for one or another reason. Myself, I am guilty of thinking that too, in the past. It's been a transition year every year since 2016. It's always something. Next season it will also be a transition year to incorporate Dejounte back, add Lonnie, and whomever they want to add.

    This is the new normal. in fact it's the normal leaguewide with very few exceptions.

    The Spurs will be in transition every year for a while. Hopefully one of these transition years the Spurs catch lightning in a bottle and draft a star,or have on of their draftees develop into one. Got to keep hope alive in my case.
    Adding a player or two back in the lineup is quite different than a roster overhaul. I guess the sticking point for some is the end result, while ignoring the differences in how we got there. Anyways, just my two cents.

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    The only thing Leonard is responsible for is his personal absence from the roster. Otherwise, the roster is totally on PATFO.

    Of course the loss of a great player diminishes the team. No question.

    There's no expectation of the impossible. There's the expectation of doing things that make sense.

    For example, it doesn't make sense to have four 3pt specialists on a team that shoots the fewest 3ptrs in the NBA. That's just odd. And that is certainly not Leonard's fault, neither the number of 3pt specialists, nor the little use made of them.


    Much more could be said, but the season is over. A rehash is pointless. We'll have to wait and see what next season brings. Not just more of the same, I hope.
    All of which would have made more sense with Leonard on the team. The roster was constructed around him, so of course there was going to be an imbalance and weaknesses incapable of being masked without him.

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    Except the Spurs did go for CP3, infamously grossly overpaying Pau Gasol, who had opted out of his deal to give them wiggle room to his own advantage.

    I know what you want to say, but how you arrive there is dishonest. It would be better to say, I am a fan who appreciates what Pop has done in the past, not eager to get away from the last remaining vestige of the Spurs most successful seasons and in honor of that let Pop continue what he's doing and as a fan I am going to like It and eat it all up. Yum! That is honest.

    In truthfulness, for me Pop resigning is meh. I don't know anyone who would do a better job (not my job to scout and interview potential HC) and despite my criticism, the most recent couple of seasons have been challenging for Pop, but every team has challenging seasons and this year Pop had his couple of all stars (or former all stars) healthy. I do think the Spurs need to be more progressive when it comes to basketball. I care less about the politics from him and his lectures than what he has to Still do with baske basketball. Pop used to be very innovative and kept on top of the basketball scene or even started trends. No more tbh. It can't be helped, wheels were going to fall off at some point and Pop has kept the team from bottoming out. So I suppose that's to be commended but honestly dissenting opinions abound.

    I Still do wish for fresh takes from the coaching staff and FO.
    i can't tell if this is a basketball take or psychoanalysis.

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