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  1. #101
    Cassius Clay
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    Webber said he didn't return Pop's calls. Losing DRob without a commitment from Webber made no sense. That's why the Spurs didn't do it. Now you complain about them being too reckless though a scant two years ago they weren't reckless enough. Go figure.

  2. #102
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    sportsillustrated.cnn.com...01/29/nba/

    It's Tim's Time

    David Robinson's slump has prompted Tim Duncan to grab the reins for the Spurs

    By Ian Thomsen

    For his first four seasons Tim Duncan was the Spurs' quiet man. He was an All-Star who hid his emotions and deferred to his celebrated elder teammate, David Robinson. Now it is clear Duncan will defer no more. Although he will never be mistaken for a chatterbox, the 25-year-old Duncan has been speaking up in the huddle, directing teammates on the court and demanding a high level of play from everyone, including Robinson, who is in the worst slump of his 13-year career.

    Robinson's numbers (11.0 points per game, 7.8 rebounds and 1.88 blocks at week's end) are all down from last season. In a five-game stretch last month coach Gregg Popovich benched him three times for the entire fourth quarter, including during a 98-81 home loss to the Lakers in which Shaquille O'Neal didn't play and Robinson was outscored and outhustled by Mark Madsen. Rather than ducking the issue, Duncan backs Robinson's critics both inside and outside the locker room. "If the heat David has been getting changes his play for the better, it's a good thing," Duncan says. "Hearing it from other people -- the media, his teammates -- can light a fire, and that's the best way to get somebody rolling."

    With Avery Johnson's off-season move to Denver and Sean Elliott's retirement to the Spurs' TV booth, leadership is at a premium in San Antonio. Popovich is glad to see Duncan asserting himself. "David always led by example," Popovich says. "We're pushing Tim to be a leader harder than David was pushed, and he's responding very well."

    Duncan resolved to sharpen his focus after last season, when the Spurs won a league-high 58 games only to be swept by the Lakers in the Western Conference finals. "I set goals to have the best season of my career," says Duncan, who is putting up MVP-caliber numbers. Through Sunday he was No. 1 in the league in rebounds, (12.7 per game), No. 3 in blocked shots (2.79) and No. 6 in scoring (25.3) -- all career highs. He was even hitting 82.2% of his free throws, up from 61.8% a year ago. A newfound intensity is apparent in the way he snaps up a rebound or in the anger he shows at his own mistakes.

    Behind Duncan -- and despite adding nine new players -- the Spurs jumped to a 20-4 start. They lost nine of their next 18 because of a tough schedule, injuries and Robinson's struggles, the last of which has drawn the most attention. Popovich says he has been replacing Robinson with 6'7" Malik Rose in the fourth quarter mainly because opponents have been going with smaller lineups. There may be more to it than that. According to a friend of Robinson's, the Admiral's relationship with Popovich has been strained since last summer, when Popovich tried to re-sign him for about half of his 2000-01 salary of $14.7 million, to reduce payroll enough to acquire significant free-agent help. When Robinson balked, San Antonio courted free agent Chris Webber, who ultimately stayed with the Kings.

    "I just don't think you can play anymore," Robinson says that Popovich told him. Popovich won't confirm or deny that he made that remark, but he did re-sign Robinson for $20 million over two years and granted him a no-trade clause.

    Many believe that Popovich benched Robinson to inspire him, knowing the Spurs will have no chance at the le unless he's at his best. Opponents believe Robinson's age and aching back are catching up with him. "The Twin Towers aren't scary anymore," says Webber, "even though Duncan is." Says a Western Conference coach of Robinson, "He's certainly sliding, and pretty fast. Defensively he can still change a game, but the ferocity isn't there anymore. On offense he's become an afterthought. It's Tim's show now, and he's a one-man show."

    The day after the home loss to L.A., Robinson told the San Antonio media that it was his responsibility to earn more minutes. In a private meeting with his coach, however, Robinson used different words. "I told Pop that whatever the situation is, I've got to be on the floor," Robinson says. "I feel as good as I have in a long time. I just have to figure out how I can be more effective for Tim and this team."

    Robinson played better last week, including a 16-point, seven-rebound, three-block performance in a loss to the Nets. At week's end Duncan and Robinson were together producing 36.3 points per game, 20.5 rebounds and 4.66 blocks -- not far from their average production over the preceding four years (39.2 points, 21.7 boards and 4.79 blocks). Nonetheless, the gap between Robinson and Duncan has never been larger.

    "As long as David's mind is in the game, he's going to be a force," Duncan says. "When we forget that we need to help each other and push each other, that's when we don't do very well."

    Issue date: February 4, 2002
    sportsillustrated.cnn.com...01/22/nba/

    Fit for the Throne

    Finally committed to the Kings, Chris Webber has them shooting for a crown

    By Ian Thomsen

    Sacramento's fans are known as the best in the league, but they expressed mixed feelings for Chris Webber when the Kings jumped to a surprising 15-5 start while he recovered from a sprained left ankle suffered in preseason. "I could hear a few boos and murmurs that the team was maybe better off without me," says Webber. "I remember saying to myself, My ankle is hurting at this exact moment that you're booing me."

    It’s hard to imagine how the Kings could be better without the unselfish Webber, who at week's end was leading his team with 24.4 points, 10.4 rebounds and 1.7 blocks per game, while averaging 5.1 assists and 1.7 steals. It's no coincidence that the Kings went on an 11-game winning streak when his ankle felt strong enough for him to play under the basket without fear. "I talked to Chris earlier this season about how expectations were so unrealistic that there was nothing he could ever do to meet them," says team president Geoff Petrie. "But I look at our record [a league-best 30-9] and the way he's been playing, and he may be exceeding them."

    Still, it's hard for some fans to forget Webber's threat to leave Sacramento as a free agent before he agreed last summer to a seven-year, $122.7 million contract (second in total dollars only to Kevin Garnett's six-year, $126 million deal). Webber, 28, acknowledges he came close to moving to Indiana or San Antonio -- the latter in an intriguing deal that would have paired him with Tim Duncan. Webber was convinced that San Antonio wanted him to replace free-agent center David Robinson. When Webber didn't respond to the Spurs' calls, they re-signed the 36-year-old Robinson for $20 million over two years. "Coach [Gregg] Popovich kept calling, saying 'Just tell me yes,'" Webber says. "I love Tim Duncan's game. I would not have minded playing in a situation like that, even though people would have said, 'Chris had to go there to win a championship.'"

    Indiana was attractive to Webber because it's close to his home in Detroit and he relished playing for Isiah Thomas. Even more appealing, however, was that he and center Jermaine O'Neal could have combined on a front line that would have ruled the Eastern Conference. Speculation at the time was that the Pacers would have to trade O'Neal to Sacramento to acquire Webber. Indiana had other plans, says Webber: "They were looking to sign [free-agent] Antonio Davis and then do a sign-and-trade for me." Ultimately Webber realized he could sign a rich contract and contend for the league le with Sacramento, which has progressed each year since he arrived by trade before the 1998-99 lockout season.

    Much of the Kings' improvement this season is attributable to the arrival of point guard Mike Bibby in a draft-night trade for Jason Williams and swingman Nick Anderson, which signaled a new focus for the franchise. Beginning in his 1998-99 rookie season, Williams helped turn the eternally passive Kings into a bold, exciting playoff team. Sacramento, however, tired of his tendency to hoist quick three-pointers and make clever, dangerous passes when simple ones would do. The 23-year-old Bibby's balanced approach has helped seven Kings average in double figures, as opposed to four last season, and Sacramento is no longer the kind of topsy-turvy club that falls behind by 15 points before fighting back.

    "Now it's time to get serious about trying to beat the Lakers or San Antonio," says Joe Maloof, who owns the Kings with his brother Gavin. "We'll know if [the trade] was a good decision at the end of the year. If we get to the Western Conference finals, we'll know we're making strides. If we get knocked out in the first round, then we have to reevaluate."

    Webber believes no such reevaluation will be necessary. He and center Vlade Divac preside over a locker room that is not obsessed with individual statistics. Webber is averaging 2.7 fewer points than last year, but the scoring ability of his teammates -- led by fourth-year pro Peja Stojakovic, who is having an All-Star caliber year -- and Webber's knack for passing out of the double team often force opponents to play single coverage against him. As a result he gets as many open looks at the basket as any superstar in the league.

    With a big smile Webber recalls how he "hated" Petrie after the lockout, when he says the Kings refused to trade Webber to the Lakers for Elden Campbell and Eddie Jones. How many championships could he have won with Shaq? "I didn't want to be here," Webber says. "But I can honestly say I'm glad I'm not a Laker. I believe we're going to win a championship, maybe not this year, but sometime. If I'm right, it will mean we did it together, as a team, without having to ride anyone's back."

    Issue date: January 28, 2002
    Holt reacted to the simpleton fans wanting Robinson back and demanded Robinson be re-signed to the chagrin of Popovich, myself and a handful of fans who are loyal to the ring.

    Daring Robinson to walk to NY in favor of Webber is less risky than waiting two years to try and sign a star free agent.


  3. #103
    Cassius Clay
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    Yeah, Pop called Webber and left messages like that. I suppose you missed the following when you were bolding text in those articles:

    When Webber didn't respond to the Spurs' calls, they re-signed the 36-year-old Robinson for $20 million over two years.
    Oops. Apology accepted.

    Webber didn't return Pop's calls. He stated specifically in an interview I read that he wouldn't take Pop's calls personally because he wanted to stay in Sacto and not be persuaded to bolt for SA.

    At least get your correct.

  4. #104
    Cassius Clay
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    Daring Robinson to walk to NY in favor of Webber is less risky than waiting two years to try and sign a star free agent.
    That's absurd. Then where does the bigman come from when DRob walks and CWebber stays in Sacto?

    At least the Spurs get two more years out of DRob and a le under the way it played out.

  5. #105
    Ghost Writer
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    Please post your imaginary article.

    Popovich clearly was willing to risk losing Robinson for Webber. So was I.

    I could deal with Webber today.

    You're a fvcking idiot if you think Robinson would've played elsewhere.

    At least we would've gotten the big gamble out of the way two years ago.


  6. #106
    Cassius Clay
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    You asserted that Pop spoke with Webber. He didn't. He merely left messages. Webber wouldn't respond so the Spurs re-signed DRob.

    You were wrong.

    End of story.

  7. #107
    Ghost Writer
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    It doesn't matter if Pop spoke to Webber or not. There was communication.

    What matters is that Popovich was willing to risk losing Robinson to get Webber. So was I.

    Robinson wasn't going anywhere. He couldn't survive a season in NY and you know it.


  8. #108
    Cassius Clay
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    I don't have to post another article all I have to do is quote the one you posted. Thanks for highlighting the section too.




    Still, it's hard for some fans to forget Webber's threat to leave Sacramento as a free agent before he agreed last summer to a seven-year, $122.7 million contract (second in total dollars only to Kevin Garnett's six-year, $126 million deal). Webber, 28, acknowledges he came close to moving to Indiana or San Antonio -- the latter in an intriguing deal that would have paired him with Tim Duncan. Webber was convinced that San Antonio wanted him to replace free-agent center David Robinson. When Webber didn't respond to the Spurs' calls, they re-signed the 36-year-old Robinson for $20 million over two years. "Coach [Gregg] Popovich kept calling, saying 'Just tell me yes,'" Webber says. "I love Tim Duncan's game. I would not have minded playing in a situation like that, even though people would have said, 'Chris had to go there to win a championship.'"
    So Pop kept leaving messages and Webber continued not to respond. The Spurs did the 'sensible thing' and did not opt to play the free agency roulette you have suddenly developed an aversion for. Give it a rest, kiddo. You're out of your league.

  9. #109
    Cassius Clay
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    It doesn't matter if Pop spoke to Webber or not. There was communication.
    Fairly one-sided that "communication" was during that time. Of course you just asserted that Pop was talking with Webber and now we see that wasn't true. Go figure.

  10. #110
    Ghost Writer
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    classic.sacbee.com/sports...ings1.html

    Kings' offer irks Christie: His agent says the guard hopes to stay, but the numbers don't compare.
    By Martin McNeal
    Bee Staff Writer
    (Published July 10, 2001)
    LONG BEACH -- Negotiations between the Kings and the representatives of free-agent guard Doug Christie, characterized by his agent as "heading in the right direction" three days earlier, hit a serious snag Monday.

    The snag is so serious, Christie's agent Brad Marshall said, that the NBA's

    second-team All-Defensive guard is questioning whether he wants to return to the Kings.

    "The numbers the Kings are posing are so disturbing that he is fearful that he will have to pack up his family and sign with another team for numbers more in line with his skills and contributions,"

    Marshall said Monday night.

    Marshall said he met Monday for five hours in Sacramento with Kings president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie.

    Just Friday evening, Marshall said he was pleased with the progress of the negotiations and was anticipating meeting with the Kings. Monday, Marshall said Christie signing with another team is a distinct possibility.

    "We're kind of wondering what they are thinking," said Marshall, who refused to divulge either the salary numbers his side is seeking or those the Kings are offering.

    Marshall did say, however, "the numbers they are offering ... we're talking numbers that are about 30 or 40 percent of what guards like (Indiana's) Jalen Rose 10.8, (Miami's) Eddie Jones 10 and (Phoenix's) Penny Hardaway make."

    Marshall was speaking in terms of millions of dollars to be earned next season by those players, all of whom are signed to multiyear deals. Hardaway will be paid $11.2 million.

    "We're talking significantly less than those players who everybody believes are comparable players," Marshall said. "Doug is definitely a better defender and is just a little bit off at the offensive end."

    Webber watch -- The San Antonio Spurs are the latest team to begin courting free-agent forward Chris Webber.

    Though the Spurs have been involved in their own free-agent dilemmas involving center David Robinson and shooting guard Derek Anderson, they have been in contact with Webber's negotiating team.

    Webber is intrigued by the possibility of playing alongside fellow All-Star Tim Duncan and is accepting and returning the Spurs' calls.

    Over the weekend, Webber invited the Kings into the mix. His attorney and aunt, Charlene Johnson, met with Petrie in Las Vegas.

    Jeff Webber, Chris' brother, also is part of the negotiating team. However, Jeff says the decision will be made by Chris alone.

    "The process is for Chris to have a chance to weigh his options," Jeff Webber said.

    Petrie said another meeting was scheduled with Webber's people this week.

    "If that happens, that would probably be Chris and Charlene meeting with Geoff," Jeff Webber said.

    According to Jeff Webber, Chris' options realistically include the Spurs, whose coach and vice president of basketball operations is Gregg Popovich.

    Chris Webber was a rookie at Golden State when Popovich was an assistant coach under Don Nelson for the 1993-94 season.

    Popovich has been away from the Spurs' offices but has made consistent contact with Webber's group.

    Said Jeff Webber: "I think the Spurs are very interested. They just sent us a proposal tape."

    The tape detailed the virtues of living in San Antonio as well as playing for the Spurs franchise that won the NBA le during the 1998-99 season.


    Summer Pro League -- Gerald Wallace scored 27 points, and Hedo Turkoglu had 26 in the Kings' 97-96 loss to the Seattle SuperSonics at the Pyramid. Wallace, the Kings' first-round choice from Alabama last month, made 11 of 25 shots.

    Rashard Lewis had 24 points for the Sonics, and Vladimir Radmanovic, the Sonics' first-round pick from Yugoslavia, had 20.
    1. Please post your imaginary article.

    2. My point was that Popovich was willing to let Robinson walk to keep pursuing Webber. It doesn't make a difference if Webber stopped returning his calls. There was obviously communication between the two sides, as evidenced by the three articles I posted.

    Apology Accepted™


  11. #111
    ChumpDumper
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    It doesn't matter if Pop spoke to Webber or not.
    So not speaking to Pop = a lock to sign.

    Gotcha.

  12. #112
    Cassius Clay
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    Are you really this dense? Pop never talked to Webber. In addition the Spurs did not receive any calls back from Webber. This is not hard to understand and so far everything you've posted states exactly what I have told you. Poor bas .

  13. #113
    Ghost Writer
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    "I don't think you can play.", "Constant contact" and "repeated calls" means Popovich wasn't willing to let Robinson walk?


    Question.


  14. #114
    Cassius Clay
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    Pop pursued Webber hard. Webber didn't bother to call back. Spurs re-sign DRob. Just because Pop pursued Webber doesn't mean he wanted to see DRob walk without a commitment from Webber.

  15. #115
    Ghost Writer
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    Cassius, you're killing me.

    We've been over this.

    Popovich didn't want Robinson back.

    He wanted Webber.

    You and I talked about Holt stepping in an making Pop re-sign Robinson at all costs.


  16. #116
    Cassius Clay
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    Yes, I am "killing" you because you are posting lame arguments and giving anyone who bothers to read the articles you quote the ammunition to do it.

  17. #117
    Shaq H8ter
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    Old news....
    Water under the bridge...

    Boring....

  18. #118
    Ghost Writer
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    Quite franly, I could care less.

    I would've dared Robinson to walk to NY and ignored the homer who had Holt's ears.

    I know Robinson wouldn't have left.

    If/when webber gave a definite 'No', then we still re-sign Robinson.

    That's wate runder the bridge.

    Just another example of the Spurs being spurned by a top-tier free agent.



  19. #119
    Cassius Clay
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    Ok so stop ing about it then.

  20. #120
    T Park Num 9
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    God i wish people would stop living in the past and get the **** over .


    Jesus. It get s ing old GET OVER IT
    he stayed, we won a ring, weve moved on, NOW DO THE ING SAME PEOPLE!!!

  21. #121
    genghisrex
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    It was almost two years ago to the day, during a lull in negotiations with David Robinson, when Spurs coach Gregg Popovich called the representatives of Chris Webber. Popovich wanted to know if the free-agent forward had any interest in changing his address.

    Webber had played under Popovich when Popovich was an assistant coach at Golden State. He liked Popovich. He liked what Popovich had done with the Spurs.

    He never called Popovich back.

    "I didn't want to talk to him because I knew him too well," Webber said. "I knew how convincing he could be, and I knew he would make it very difficult for me to decide whether to go back to Sacramento."
    SHUT UP, GHOST.

  22. #122
    MannyIsGod
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    Ghost...

    I don't even know what to say...

    lmao


  23. #123
    TwoHandJam
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    If we pay Horry 5Mil for 1 year then yes, I think he will be worth every penny. You, GW would be the first person ing is Dallas landed him. Horry was a shadow of his real self last year because he was both tired and injured from covering for Shaq's fat ass all year. Stop ing about a RFA we have no hope in landing and for whom we would have to grossly overpay to even have a shot at anyway.

  24. #124
    Admiral
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    Yeah, let's let DRob walk for a chance at Chris Webber. The same Chris Webber who is Charmin soft, injury prone, and one of the most overrated players in the league. I would rather blow a max deal on Jason Kidd first.

    We wouldn't have won a le this year with no defensive presence whatsoever down low. Teams don't respect Duncan down low, as evidenced by the fact that teams attacked the rim like crazy when David would go to the bench. Chris Webber would've done nothing to change that. He's nowhere near the defender Tim is even. Offensively, would you enjoy watching Webber take that same right-handed jump hook and that same 18-foot jumper late in games? Would you have enjoyed hearing him whine about not getting more shots?

    It's a shame that 95% of this board underestimates what DRob brought to the table. If we suck next year, the joy I could get out of that is that most of you could have your DRob bashing rubbed in your faces. You certainly deserve it after all the criticism you've dished out over the years.

    The man will never get the respect he deserves for his talents on the court.

  25. #125
    gospurs21
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    ^^^^
    I totally agree, Webbers D pales in comparison David. Yet there are some in here that still claim we would have won 2 championships by going with china doll Webber instead of big Dave 2 years ago.

    Go Spurs...

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