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being sexual isn't illegal.
But those men were not punished for having multiple spouses. God did not frown upon them for it... It simply did not fulfill them spiritually. You can say that about a lot of things.Those stories are there for a purpose.... to show that multiple wives do not lead to happiness. Most of those examples ended up in disaster and reveal that the search for God's Truth is one of our essential purposes. The search for self gratification, greed, self-indulgence, NEVER led to good.
Read what the richest and wisest man wrote in his old age (I would also include the fact he had over 1000 wives), that his search for knowledge, wisdom, riches or pleasure was all vanity when compared to the search of understanding God's heart.
Acceptance of certain relationships changed between Genesis and Revelation... Why are some so willing to believe that it has changed since then as well? The common theme is not the number or gender of spouses... it's that lust and sexual immorality displease God. That goes for heterosexuals, adulterers, polygamists, sexuals and impulsive masturbators alike.
being sexual isn't illegal.
Gay marriage is.
And if some had their way and we had a government based on Absolute Truth as defined by the Bible, a lot of other things would be too.
It's not about semantics....there is a point... People just choose to ignore it thinking that God is some fable or the like. Mocking people that believe in God is just as bad as your complaint that they stop judging [you].
The point is simple, if I kill someone and no one finds out about it (No government interference); I'm still accountable to God. This is the "Absolute Truth" I refer to. He has the measuring stick of what is "right" and what is "wrong" and under this belief my relativistic interpretation of what I consider "right" and "wrong" is irrelevant.
Human nature is predictable. If everything were legal, too many things (even some you might find offensive) would seep into our culture.... call it a fear, or whatever... Again humans are too complicated to be governed by themselves.
Would you rather pedophiles teach them the way... (I actually believe that people opposed to sex education are actually doing a diservice to their children... the fact is you can't teach someone the virtues and evils of sex by avoiding the topic.... again another instance of misguided "conservative" thinking)
And yes we have censored education to teach the Darwinistic theory as a fact. Evolution is severely flawed.
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The operative word is some. MOST would not want the government based on the bible.
Some wanted Gay Marriage banned for religious reasons, but most had other very legitimate reasons.
Can you show me where I've submitted a post telling people not to do it?
You can't so cut the crap!
If spiritual fulfillment is a gift. We only burden ourselves when we lose out on it. I actually consider that a form of punishment.
Yes that is true. God searches the heart. ONE cannot lie to God, even if they deceive everyone else. Fact of the matter is every sin is the same to God (and not all Christians believe this). But why is sexuality targeted?? It shows a deviance which has strayed far from God's intent for sex. It's psychologically embedded in the the person's being. I for one don't believe a sexual can be a Christian at the same time. And don't misuderstand me (IMO). The lifestyle itself is conducive toward a rejection of God's precepts. The sin itself is not unforgivable, but that is dependent on the person.
Judge all you want. Just stop trying to get the government to protect you from certain acts of others that do not harm you.It's not about semantics....there is a point... People just choose to ignore it thinking that God is some fable or the like. Mocking people that believe in God is just as bad as your complaint that they stop judging [you].
You continue to equate my stance for less government intervention to anarchy. It is no closer to that than your anti-gay marrage stance is to fascism.Human nature is predictable. If everything were legal, too many things (even some you might find offensive) would seep into our culture
So I take it you ARE in favor of a Theocracy then?Again humans are too complicated to be governed by themselves.
Yes but the people I'm talking to right now would seem to fall in the former group.Some wanted Gay Marriage banned for religious reasons, but most had other very legitimate reasons.
The Bible is the standard for morality so your amazement at it being mentioned in their arguements is foolish and unfounded.
One of the 10 Commandments is "Don't commit adultery" so go reference some secular writing for support.
You do ya heterophobic.
The desecration of Marriage harms everyone. Society benefits from strong traditional families. Most problems can be traced to broken families.
I wasn't refering to you you, I meant it as a generalization. I suppose I should have used "one" instead of "you". Sorry for the missundertanding.
Yes, and most of those broken families are heterosexual.
There are other ways to strengthen families with children. But it starts with the children, not the point where the relationship starts.
No problem MaNu, misunderstandings happen.
And adultry as defined by the Bible in that time period is a man sleeping with another man's wife. Concubines were perfectly acceptable because they were not married.One of the 10 Commandments is "Don't commit adultery" so go reference some secular writing for support.
Woo hoo!!
And I'd like to see more detail on this claim anyway. I believe these problems are traced more directly to poverty, which often leads to broken families.The desecration of Marriage harms everyone. Society benefits from strong traditional families. Most problems can be traced to broken families.
There's a concentrated effort in this country to minimize the importance of strong two parent households. Accepting gay marriage will further weaken an already weak ins uion, Marriage.
I don't feel like reading several pages of bs, so lets start with this.
Why shouldn't gay marriage be legalized when heterosexual marriage is?
My man most poor people are single parent households. Broken families lead to poverty not the other way around.
Governmental marriage has absolutely nothing to do with family values.
there's a ton of bs on this thread but read up about 10 post and you'll be caught up enough.
Um, I call complete bull on this assertion and would love to see a study that backs up.
Newflash, droughts do not lead to long periods of no rain!
Look I'm not going to go all night on the topic... I got places to go... people to see. Soccer games to play...
Anyways, I consider children (within the reasonable mind-moldeable age range) to fall under the responsibility of their parents, and I don't just mean economically. If acts of others can harm them, you better believe I will step in, I for one can handle the issue; their minds can't. Why do you believe sex with underage teens/children is illegal, they can't consent to something they don't understand particularly because 99.99999% of the time the older partner is only using the minor for self-gratification without regard for their well-being. The act is considered a deviance. sexuality is also considered a deviance by God's standards. Beastiality is considered the same. Look, I'm not trying to convince you about anything.... YOU are who you are and life will give you what you seek. I seek something else.
??????? You got me here. You fail to realize that law and cultural movements take place a step at a time. This one just needed a road block to show that not everyone was willing to take the next step. Don't worry eventually the ban will be repealed. It's only a matter a time.
In the true essence of the word God governs his people. I already live under this spiritual 'kingdom'. As far as people governing themselves... and passing the laws under God's name.. well, we all know that this is quite a daunting task. On a personal level everyone must chose his own path and reap their own handywork. Does what they do fall into agreement with the laws of our time... Jesus once said, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and give to God what is God's" with reference to obeying the laws of the land.
Government has the right to promote things that benefit society. They also have a right to penalize things the feel hurt society.
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