Pat Robertson: “Don’t turn to God if you need help”

[gtownspur]

He was just giving an explanation. And so what? what happens if it's true. I'm not the one to judge what God allows. But that's a whole different topic.

[Spurminator]

He was just giving an explanation. And so what? what happens if it's true. I'm not the one to judge what God allows. But that's a whole different topic.

You're avoiding the question.

[smeagol]

o smeagol. You mention that you are shocked that a politician would suggest the assasination, who is this politician you're referring to?

o joch. When I started righting the post, I meant to say “any politician who suggests the US should assassinate a world leader is shocking”. My intention was to add that “it is even more shocking if the one calling out for an assassination is a man of God”. I guess that’s not what my post reads.

In any case, I do believe Robertson is a politician (I stated my reasons in a response to gtown.

Robertson's a private citizen and has a right to speak his mind.

When you are considered one of the most important evangelical leaders, with a TV show watched by millions, you have to be careful with what you say.

He apologized and there's no way to ascertain his level of remorse or if he did so because of the uproar from those that had never retracted an opinion after introspection. Unless someone can prove his insincerity he deserves the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure you would want the same for yourself.
Give me a good reason why we shouldn't overlook someones faults if asked to do so.

If this were his only speech mishap. But it’s not (see someone else’s post above with quotes from the man)

Would it make you feel better if he stopped his ministry of feeding the starving? What do you want from the man?

I want him not to say the things he says. Just because he feeds the needy the man cannot be criticized?

[smeagol]

If Robertson called for the assasination of Hitler, i bet you'd jump on the bash Evangelicals bandwagon

Chavez=Hitler?

Stupid analogy.

[Dos]

PR doesn't speak for me... I would say someone like Erwin Mcmanus from Mosiac Church in LA is more in line with my views..

[DarkReign]

Some Pat Robertson quotes:

"Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."

"It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-biased media and the sexuals who want to destroy all Christians"

"That (separation of church and state) was never in the Cons ution, however much the liberals laugh at me for saying it, they know good and well it was never in the Cons ution! Such language only appeared in the cons ution of the communist Sovi"
Pat Robertson quotes

"...There is no such thing as ... separation of state and church ... in the Cons ution. It's a lie of the left."
Pat Robertson quotes

"Many of those people involved in Adolf Hitler were Satanists, many were sexuals - the two things seem to go together"

"(Regarding his prayers to keep Hurricane Gloria away from Virginia Beach) It was 'extremely important because I felt that if I couldn't move a hurricane, I could hardly move a nation"

"I know one man who was impotent who gave AIDS to his wife and the only thing they did was kiss"

"Communism was the brain-child of German-Jewish intellectuals"

"We have a court that has essentially stuck its finger in God's eye and said we're going to legislate you out of the schools. We're going to take your commandments from off the courthouse steps in various states. We're not going to let little children read the commandments of God. We're not going to let the Bible be read, no prayer in our schools. We have insulted God at the highest levels of our government. And then we say, "Why does this happen?"
Well, why it's happening is that God Almighty is lifting his protection from us."
-- on 9/11 attacks

Individual Christians are the only ones really -- and Jewish people, those who trust God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- are the only ones that are qualified to have the reign, because hopefully, they will be governed by God and submit to Him.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, January 11, 1985, defending his stance that only Christians and Jews are fit to hold public office

I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, August 6, 1998, on the occasion of the Orlando, Florida, Gay Pride Festival 1998

I think "one man, one vote," just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise. There needs to be some kind of protection for the minority which the white people represent now, a minority, and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, March 18, 1992, suggesting that South African white people's votes ought to count more than other votes because they are in the minority

In-frickin-defensable!

Only religious zealots and the sheeple they command could ever justify these quotes, whether in or out of context.

His intent is obvious, his delivery is direct.

How can a logical person defend this drivel? Look, its ok to admit when you have been conned. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

Wow...I mean....WOW. Keep going, I dont even have to try. Google FTW!

[Dos]

we can easily post qoutes by jesse jackson or al sharpton even farrakhan... aren't they all religious leaders that lean left..?

[smeagol]

because red-state dumb hicks who propose ID/Creationism are laughable simpletons who can only make the coarsest of distinctions with great difficulty, can only hold one or two ideas in thier head at once, preferably feel-good ideas, paradoxes and contradeictions are simply forbidden or ignored, and are so insecure and threatend in their understanding of the world that they simply say "too ing complicated for me, only God could understand it, and only HE could make it so complicated. ergo, science sucks"

I agree with ID but your description of the ID proponents does not agree with me. What is your position? Science has explained where we come from? How we came here? Etc etc

OTOH, you have Eastern religious leaders like Dalai Lama and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who are either trained as scientists and/or welcome the mutual benefits and interaction between intuitive knowledge of religious discovery and the rational knowledge of scientific discovery.

Your point is? Eastern Religions > Christianity?

They are ready to change their religious ideas (world is flat, the moon is flat, the earth is stationary and the universe rotates, etc, etc) in the face of scientific knowledge,

Your point is that Christians believe the World is flat?

because their true interest is in discovering the Nature of Reality and not in shaking down a bunch of dumb hicks for " hes" and "Christiain" merchandise.

And the true interest of Christianity is to sell “Christian” merchandise?

Altogether a stupid post.

[smeagol]

we can easily post qoutes by jesse jackson or al sharpton even farrakhan... aren't they all religious leaders that lean left..?

So one thing justifies the other?

That's silly logic, if you ask me.

[DarkReign]

we can easily post qoutes by jesse jackson or al sharpton even farrakhan... aren't they all religious leaders that lean left..?

So very, very true. I wasnt analyzing his political leanings NECESSARILY. But some his statements concerning the whims of God are outlandish! Does he have a Red Phone we arent aware of or something?

Plenty of loons in the world...on all sides, no doubt.

[Mr. Peabody]

we can easily post qoutes by jesse jackson or al sharpton even farrakhan... aren't they all religious leaders that lean left..?

Why does it have to be a right/left thing? Why can't we just admit that Pat Robertson is insane and says insane things?

[DarkReign]

Why does it have to be a right/left thing? Why can't we just admit that Pat Robertson is insane and says insane things?

We have a winner......

Tell him his prize!

[Oh, Gee!!]

Why does it have to be a right/left thing? Why can't we just admit that Pat Robertson is insane and says insane things?

insane things that other equally insane people believe whole-heartedly and send $$$

[Spurminator]

It all goes back to defense... You can say he doesn't speak for you, but when you line up in droves to defend his statements it gives the impression that he does and you're just afraid to say it.

If he doesn't speak for you, then criticism of Robertson (or other Theocratic blowhards) should not bother you.

And it's absolutely not a Right/Left issue.

[Extra Stout]

Extra Stout. If Roberts had said that GOd would punish Dover for voting the way they did, you'd have a point.

What exactly is this thread about again? Did Robertson not say something to the people of Dover? Was that made up?

ID does not have a bias towards Christianity, which is even more reason to have it in schools alongside evolution.

What difference does a lack of religious bias make? If I claim the moon is made out of Limberger cheese, my claim has no Christian bias. Should it therefore be taught in public schools?

If I say no, is that an affront to God?

But the efforts to vote against it, was to shut Religion's role in our pshyce and legitimate voice in the public arena.

So ID is not a religious theory, but if you vote against it, you're shutting out religion? What?

The theory that Acid Rain would diminish the earth's population is and was psuedo science.

I thought the theory was that acid rain injured trees. Did your school teach that it would kill people? Sounds like that district needs to vote out its school board too.

IF faith and ethics cannot be discussed along science, then the human race will once again conduct eugenic experiments which are highly unethical.

Are we discussing scientific ethics or are we discussing intelligent design?

Are you claiming that without teaching intelligent design, we're doomed to conduct eugenics experiments?

What?

The campaign to silence ID was not a spirited one in which involved debate. ID was intended to say that Government does not chose sides on the debate of religion and secularism. It was to bring balance.

I thought that ID had nothing to do with religion. I thought it was a scientific theory. Now you're telling me it's supposed to be a government message to bring balance between religion and secularism?

What?

But people want government to only endorse secular philosophy.

Are we discussing philosophy or are we discussing science in the public schools?

[Marcus Bryant]

It all goes back to defense... You can say he doesn't speak for you, but when you line up in droves to defend his statements it gives the impression that he does and you're just afraid to say it.

If he doesn't speak for you, then criticism of Robertson (or other Theocratic blowhards) should not bother you.

And it's absolutely not a Right/Left issue.

Well, it's just like taking the pronouncements of a few on the 'left' like Jesse Jackson or Michael Moore or PETA and abscibing them to all. Does the average 'liberal' feel that is fair?

[Spurminator]

Who said anything about it being fair? It's reality. People DO associate Michael Moore with the Democratic Party. If I were a Democrat, I wouldn't want Michael Moore as a spokesperson, so I would probably take issue with any stupid statement he made that harmed my cause. And I certainly wouldn't jump to his defense anytime he was criticised. I'd want to disassociate myself (and my worldview) as much as possible from his.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I like the fact that the Big Guy takes interest in the results of local school board elections. Very comforting thought

[Marcus Bryant]

While Moore may be a bit out there, his basic argument is that the US should not have invaded Iraq, which, of course, is a majority view on the left. So inevitably criticism of Moore in re Iraq is bound to draw in those who don't subscribe to his views as to why the US invaded Iraq.

[Spurminator]

Sure, and Robertson's basic view may not be all that extreme either... But it's all about the way that message is conveyed.

Moore being against the war sounds like "GW Bush has Nazi Ancestors and is Sending Millions to Die in a Meaningless War Based on Lies All for His Rich Oil Buddies."

Pat Robertson preaching Christianity sounds like "Your Sins Have Provoked the Wrath of God and You Are Dying in Hurricanes and Terrorist Attacks Because of Your Immorality. Oh, and Vote Republican."

[Mr. Peabody]

While Moore may be a bit out there, his basic argument is that the US should not have invaded Iraq, which, of course, is a majority view on the left. So inevitably criticism of Moore in re Iraq is bound to draw in those who don't subscribe to his views as to why the US invaded Iraq.

My question is, what does this have to do with Pat Robertson and his crazy ass comments? Are his comments ok because Michael Moore says stupid things as well?

Why are all of you so intent on defending these people no matter what crazy they say?

Just sack up and admit that, yes, his comments were idiotic.

[Marcus Bryant]

um, the point is that Robertson does not speak for all conservatives just like Moore does not speak for all on the left.

Have I stated that Robertson's comments were not so?

[Dos]

My question is, what does this have to do with Pat Robertson and his crazy ass comments? Are his comments ok because Michael Moore says stupid things as well?

Why are all of you so intent on defending these people no matter what crazy they say?

Just sack up and admit that, yes, his comments were idiotic.

I am not defending PR in my views he doesn't really represent my views at all..

but I do believe a person has right to freedom express in this country... that's what I am defending... not the comment but the right to have that say...

[Oh, Gee!!]

I am not defending PR in my views he doesn't really represent my views at all..

but I do believe a person has right to freedom express in this country... that's what I am defending... not the comment but the right to have that say...

I may not like you what you say, Dos, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

[Mr. Peabody]

um, the point is that Robertson does not speak for all conservatives just like Moore does not speak for all on the left.

Have I stated that Robertson's comments were not so?

Where did anyone in this thread say that Robertson speaks for all conservatives?

The only people I have seen in this thread associating Robertson with conservatives are the conservatives themselves.