Reply With QuoteJO'Neal can commit prior to the 16th as well.
While JO'Neal is still available he should be the Spurs' top priority.
The whole thing, Matthew, is that these options are not mutually exclusive.
We can go through all the trouble of working a deal for Brand while convincing J. O'Neal. Since neither are locks to be Spurs- you can explain away your interest in both of them as insurance, while still appealing to their respective egos.
If you are successful in both areas, they you are left in the enviable position of having your pick between Brand and O'Neal.
If Sterling gives the deal the green light- we've done it. But there are no binding agreements to make trades before July 16. We could still very well work our deal out with Jermaine.
By exploring both options, we only increase our odds of landing both a Superstar and a Scoring Big.
JO'Neal can commit prior to the 16th as well.
While JO'Neal is still available he should be the Spurs' top priority.
Yet does JO'Neal commit if he knows that the Spurs are aggressively pursuing Brand? I don't see that.
You have to think about what each player wants to hear. The Spurs can reasonably tell Brand...we want you but dammit we have to F around with Sterling.
With JO'Neal it is much smoother sailing should he want to be a Spur.
Once again, we can have committments to aquire both players. We are then left in the greatest position of all.
As the Spurs have learned in the past, no deal is done until the contract is signed. There is nothing wrong with having two committments should Jermaine O'Neal decide that $30 million sounds pretty good after all (or should Sterling change his tune).
But, taking a page from your book, getting the best player should be the top priority. If Brand = O'Neal (debatable both ways), then effort should be made to get one of them. Going after both doubles our chances at getting one.
So you lie to one of them?
-Matthew
I believe you are familiar with the rest of the info.
Good point on egos... but do players really expect teams to not explore other options and assume the team has no plan B should he not sign with that team?
Jermaine: "hey RC, you are telling me that I am the man, but I keep hearing these reports that you are trying to land Brand."
RC: "there are no locks that you are going to be a Spur until you tell us you are going to be a Spur, Jermaine. Until then, we have to explore all of our options. Unless, of course, you are trying to say that you are going to be a Spur."
Getting committments from both is highly unlikely (if not impossible) the more I think about. But given the difficultly in getting either- you take the one you get the committment from. If you should be lucky enough to get another committment, you have a choice. But at least you know you are getting that one superstar.
Is explaing to them that you have to keep trying to improve your team with other options until you have a committment from them lying to them?
I think any resonable agent and player would understand this- after all they do the exact same thing in going to various teams.
First of all scott, don't ever refer to Marcus by his Anglo-Saxon name.
Secondly, how do you porpose driving the marker up without making an offer?
Secondly, your assertation that the Spurs can drive the price up, Brand can trun down the Clips' current offer, and then the Spurs and Clips can broker a sign-and-trade all in one afternoon is prepsterous.
Listen you stunod:
Brand is considering the Clippers very real offer right now.
The Spurs can do nothing but talk sh1t right now about a deal.
Listen to me. Listen to Marcus.
You go after Jermaine O'Neal first before you f' around with a tedious sign-and-trade scenario with the Clippers.
The Spurs would offer Brand a real contract before that a S&T would be proposed anyway, hardhead.
It's pretty simple Ghost, I'll try to help you one more time because I feel sorry for you. You're slipping, man.
Elton Brand does not have to sign anything today, or on July 16.
We tell him and his agent will offer him the max. That doesn't mean he has to sign it. That is how you raise his price. If you offer him the max, that is the price the Clips will pay.
By making it clear that is what you WILL offer, you have now made that his going price.
Why is Brand going to consider the Clippers lesser offer when he can just sign a max offer sheet and guarantee that will be his salary?
The beauty is that we can raise Brand's price for the purposes of exploring a S&T without extending the offer sheet, or waiting until other FA options are explored before extending the offer sheet.
Thankfully the Spurs don't have your lazy ass "that sounds hard so lets do something else" at ude.
The minute we offer Brand a contract, Sterling has two choices: Match or let walk. At that point with Brand signed to an offer sheet, he cannot sign and trade him to us, or anyone else.The Spurs would offer Brand a real contract before that a S&T would be proposed anyway, hardhead.
Can someone answer this:
If the Spurs go after Brand next season by extending the Holting pattern, what other teams are going to be under the cap enough to try to sign him? I'm thinking that if the rest of the league is dried up, that the Spurs could get him for less than the full max.
Question.
Good question timvp. I'd be leery of passing on real talent in hand. Strange things can always happen.
Right. And the Clips call the agent's bluff and then what?Elton Brand does not have to sign anything today, or on July 16.
We tell him and his agent will offer him the max. That doesn't mean he has to sign it. That is how you raise his price. If you offer him the max, that is the price the Clips will pay.
By making it clear that is what you WILL offer, you have now made that his going price.
Brand is considering the lesser offer according to reports. So he signs a max offer sheet with the Spurs and either signs with us or Sterling antes up and matches it.Why is Brand going to consider the Clippers lesser offer when he can just sign a max offer sheet and guarantee that will be his salary?
So the Clippers just take the agent and the Spurs word for it, huh? No way. The Spurs have to get Brand to sign that offer sheet and then it's either the Clippers let him walk or they match the offer.The beauty is that we can raise Brand's price for the purposes of exploring a S&T without extending the offer sheet, or waiting until other FA options are explored before extending the offer sheet.
Huh? You said all that could transpire in one afternoon. simpleton."Thankfully the Spurs don't have your lazy ass "that sounds hard so lets do something else" at ude."
I believe he can still do a sign and trade with anyone EXCEPT the team that gives him a formal offer sheet.The minute we offer Brand a contract, Sterling has two choices: Match or let walk. At that point with Brand signed to an offer sheet, he cannot sign and trade him to us, or anyone else.
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It's pretty simple Ghost... Brand and his agent just say to the Clips "your offer isn't good enough anymore."
Just because he is considering it NOW doesn't mean he'll sign it. For all you know he could be considering it the same way Derek Anderson considered the Spurs low-ball bid.
If the Clips call the agents "bluff", Brand signs the Spurs offer sheet which has been extended after the Spurs have struck out on their other top FA options.
Brand doesn't need to sign anything to raise his price... he only has to say no.
Of course, your entire arguement is based upon the idea that Sterling would rather let Brand walk than get picks and cash. With Donald Sterling, that just may be the case- but picks and cash have proven to be his best friend over the years.
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