He's on right now.
Not likely seeing how the IRL wants a race in San Antonio. Not only a grand prix but a real circuit race.Indy/NASCAR Racing = gone
Nope. HollyHills loves time shares.vacation shares = gone
They're building some 3 or 4 time share projects right now in SA.
HollyHills on KTSA right now.
Listen live!
http://www.ktsa.com/
Gee thanks for the programming update.
Stuff said on Chris Duel show:
HollyHills owners feel in love with San Antonio.
Beginning the process of dealing with all the communities involved.
18-24 months is a the timeline for a start of construction.
Wow, what's with the sarcastic smiley?Gee thanks for the programming update.
what is being said, for some reason the link isn't working for me.
Nothing, nevermind.
what year for full completion? any round number?
Ah, it's on the Strip, not downtown.
But whatever gets rid off the Boardwalk....
From the renderings shown, both the Freeman will be torn down (to build a Rodeo Village) and Willow Creek will be built on. The baseball stadium and a man made lake will be built on Willow Springs. From the virtual tour of the complex, the baseball stadium will have a open view of the lake.
It's not what other people want, it's what is affordable. This will mainly be built with private money and no telling how the economic future will be. Will HollyHills have the financial backing to pull off such a grand scale venture? Only time will tell.
I don't know much of HollyHills but I'm certain something of this grand will be scaled down based on finances and business sense. I'm just hoping that if this is completed, this is not a pink elephant, it's paid in full, and being used consistently.
Sounds great right now but its still preliminary. Look forward to see what develops.
I could ask the same about you.
I seem to recall a few weeks ago H2 saying no public money would be used for any of the project. Yet you keep saying you don't believe it. You are speculating. The Writer is posting factual news. I am reserving criticism or comment until it the actual time comes.
Me...I am cautiously optomistic....I hope this is isn't a "pipe dream"....H2 has already put up money to pay for the land and it costed the city.....ZERO.
I don't actually know how well the Wachovia Sports complex is working in Philly but I do know that a key component is the rail line that runs to it. Interestingly enough I was in Houston a few weeks ago and was amazed at how many people take the rail line down to Reliant Stadium to avoid the traffic hassle. That's the problem with having a single sports complex. Wasted land. It's been an unfortunate trend the last decade or so that everything has to be "mega" grocery store or office supply or retail center or this or that. Very impersonal. Think of the embellished strip centers like the Quarry or Heubner Oaks. They are some of the most awful planning but people accept it. CBD's and arts districts are generally more urban and pedestrian friendly. Have you seen photos of the Wachovia center? It's depressing. Hopefully this lake idea that was mentioned making the area more desireable to go to even when games wouldn't be played.
The main thing to remember is that the plan H2 is envisioning is only a master plan. An idea. Nothing is set. I can recount to you many SA projects that were only partially built or never built at all.
As far as them being crooks in the past it doesn't surprise me. Happens with a lot of developers for some reason. I remember a local developer, David Saks, served time for tax evasion, I think. He built the now razed "pink elephant" where UTSA downtown is and some office buildings.
BTW, what channel was the H2 story on?
The KENS interview with Connolly, HH's spokesman, clearly shows him state that the plans for the stadium would require some public funding.
where can i see this virtual tour?
Just remember that there is a difference between information and facts.
1. A press release from Holly Hills may be interesting, but should not be taken as gospel, nor should one automatically assume that it's sole purpose is to announce the proposed deal.
2. Quoting Jerry Jones' response when he was asked what he thought of a team in San Antonio does not mean that what he said is how he really feels. What's he going to say, "No, I would rather go without my botox than see a team in SA."? And thus risk alienating all the rabid football fans here that buy so much of the Cowboys-themed merchandise he gets a cut of? No way. You're smart emough to connect the dots here.
A press release is nothing more than a tool used by a person or en y to frame or "pre-spin" a story in the way most advantageous to the protagonist. It gives press the talking points they need to fill out a thirty second or one minute news spot. Most television reporters aren't smart enough or simply don't care enough to dig any deeper than what is handed to them by the protagonist. There is a fine line between information and propaganda, and a deep chasm between information and fact. Asking tough questions and getting the answers helps to bridge that chasm.
I don't hate San Antonio. I grew up in San Antonio and still spend several weekends a month in San Antonio visiting friends and family. If I hated or didn't care about San Antonio, I wouldn't spend time trying to temper or put into perspective some of the things you so energetically post about, I would ignore it and let the damage be done. It saddens and frustrates me that enthusiastic yet somewhat wide-eyed and naive people aren't cir spect enough to ask tough questions about a project of this magnitude that is being proposed by a group that has a convicted felon as its leader, and judging by the projects listed on its website, has never worked on a project of this size (acreage) and scale (building types).
Legitimate projects can stand up to far greater scruitiny than anybody here has thrown at this one thus far. And believe me, this one deserves scruitiny - if for no other reason than:
1. This development company has never done a project of this magnitude,
2. The histories of the major players, and
3. San Antonio is still viewed by many people outside of the city as a somewhat provincial backwater town starting to (finally) grow, but that is comparitively unsophisticated when it comes to growth issues. I can say this because I have witnessed it first hand. I am in development, and have been a part of meetings and have developed plans that, had they been located in San Antonio, you would post about. There are some true SLIMEBALLS in this field - some of which will in all likelyhood play parts in this project if it ever comes to fruition. And the percentage of private developers who give a rat's ass about what is in the best interest of the jurisdiction in which their project is located hovers somewhere around 10% in a boom market and .01% in a bust market. Taking what they say at face value is beyond optimistic; it is simply foolish.
It is the public's responsibility to ask tough questions, and to demand that our elected officials do the same. Legit developers with legit projects will welcome this scruitiny as an opportunity to show the merits of the project to the City/neighborhoods in which it is porposed.
I'll never understand why they want to put all of this in the eastside. Even when I lived there, I wouldn't wantto go watch a game at the SBC Center. all of this should be downtown. Afterall, Sunset Station is a dump.
When the owner of Holly Hills says 75%-80% of this massive project will be paid via private funds, I doubt its much the city pays or a large amount of public funds.
On the news. Hopefully I can find it online.
Once you see the renderings you'll love what you see.
I've seen the little sketches they've had on the news. It does look great, no doubt about that. I just don't like the location. Whether it's on the east/west/north/ or the southside, I just don't like the idea of something like this being in a neighborhood. Not because of teh residents, I dont really care about that, but it does nothing for the city. Population wise, what are we now, 7? That's great and all, but until San Antonio jumps up in the Metropolitan rankings (I think we're 35 or some ) we're always going to have that small market label. Downtown is the key. I've been down there for years, and trust me, people still think San Antonio is a cute little town. Vacant domes and teh Sunset area dont help at all.
But yeah, it really does look great.
KENS Video with renderings and virtual tour:
http://www2.mysanantonio.com/multime....cfm?ids=34186
Damn, yeah that does seem cool. It's be nice to know that by the time I'm 40, we'd have and NFL and MLB team here. The lake idea though is pushing it.
It does everything for the city!
29th(I think we're 35 or some )
That is a self label. 2 million people isn't "small." Mid-sized, maybe.we're always going to have that small market label.
Building this downtown is gonna make no difference in any way. Also, where ar eyou going to get the land for such a thing downtown? Nowhere. Did you see how massive the renderings were? How massive it'll be? With all the housing and condos and etc, you could probably have a population of close to 10,000.Downtown is the key. I've been down there for years, and trust me, people still think San Antonio is a cute little town.
Not to mention, other developers will probably start buying people out of their homes before poperty values skyrocket and develope on the land.
This will help create a new urban area in the city of San Antonio. Probably the most urban and dense development outside of San Antonio. More dense and urban than The Rim once at complete built.
HollyHills wouldn't be able to build such a project downtown, it's that simple.Vacant domes and teh Sunset area dont help at all.
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