Thad Young Questions

[Degoat]

One potential trade I've been thinking about is Young to the Wolves

Ok the Dane Moore podcast (wolves focused) a few days ago with the frequent guest Wolves beat guy from the athletic, they were talking about wanting to trade for a big, kind of a Millsap type or a bruiser type. Nobody brought up Young, but he might be as close to a Millsap type as their is even though there's no three point shooting. Bruiser is subjective, but he could play with Towns spacing I'm sure and be an offensive hub off the bench considering Beverly is the back up point guard.

Young would be a very good fit I think for a team that is trying to make the playoffs. They probably wouldn't have a good chance to get him in a buyout over other teams so it's trade or nothing.

Minnesota is also only like 900k under the tax so that probably needs to be factored in.

Taurean Prince is expiring, so is Jake Layman, neither is key to their rotation. The podcast was not positive about Prince's performance.

Young+Eubanks for Prince+Layman+draft considerations keeps them out of the tax. Don't know if the Spurs would be comfortable going forward with only Poeltl, Jock and Zollins as their real bigs, but maybe Zollins is looking good in rehab.

For draft considerations, I'm thinking:

Wolves send lotto protected 22 first, and Spurs send back one of their 22 seconds, maybe even the Detroit pick. That functionally makes it between a 15-20 spot swap.
If the Wolves miss the playoffs, the Spurs send nothing and the Wolves send 2 seconds, one of their multiple ones this year and their own second next year.

An alternative they might be less interested in is to forget the picks and make it Young+Tre for Prince+Bolmaro. Don't know if they would be willing to part with Bolmaro, but maybe Gupta wasn't in love with him, and it was more of a Rosas pick

Just food for thought

Not a bad idea imo I always wanted the spurs to look at Taurean Prince.

[exstatic]

One potential trade I've been thinking about is Young to the Wolves

Ok the Dane Moore podcast (wolves focused) a few days ago with the frequent guest Wolves beat guy from the athletic, they were talking about wanting to trade for a big, kind of a Millsap type or a bruiser type. Nobody brought up Young, but he might be as close to a Millsap type as their is even though there's no three point shooting. Bruiser is subjective, but he could play with Towns spacing I'm sure and be an offensive hub off the bench considering Beverly is the back up point guard.

Young would be a very good fit I think for a team that is trying to make the playoffs. They probably wouldn't have a good chance to get him in a buyout over other teams so it's trade or nothing.

Minnesota is also only like 900k under the tax so that probably needs to be factored in.

Taurean Prince is expiring, so is Jake Layman, neither is key to their rotation. The podcast was not positive about Prince's performance.

Young+Eubanks for Prince+Layman+draft considerations keeps them out of the tax. Don't know if the Spurs would be comfortable going forward with only Poeltl, Jock and Zollins as their real bigs, but maybe Zollins is looking good in rehab.

For draft considerations, I'm thinking:

Wolves send lotto protected 22 first, and Spurs send back one of their 22 seconds, maybe even the Detroit pick. That functionally makes it between a 15-20 spot swap.
If the Wolves miss the playoffs, the Spurs send nothing and the Wolves send 2 seconds, one of their multiple ones this year and their own second next year.

An alternative they might be less interested in is to forget the picks and make it Young+Tre for Prince+Bolmaro. Don't know if they would be willing to part with Bolmaro, but maybe Gupta wasn't in love with him, and it was more of a Rosas pick

Just food for thought

They can’t have just one shot at the Minny pick. Chicago gave us 3 chances. I’d go for 2022 1-14,2023 1-10,2024 1-8, two seconds if none of that conveys.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Did you think we might get a first for DeRozan in a S&T?

I think DeMar warrants a first over Thad yeah tbh. Are we really comparing DeMar to Thad?

[exstatic]

I think DeMar warrants a first over Thad yeah tbh. Are we really comparing DeMar to Thad?

DeMar was unrestricted, and could have just signed somewhere, netting us nothing It’s not like we traded him in season. I was completely shocked that we got a first, let alone two seconds on top, and maybe more if we can flip Thad.

[Chinook]

One potential trade I've been thinking about is Young to the Wolves

Ok the Dane Moore podcast (wolves focused) a few days ago with the frequent guest Wolves beat guy from the athletic, they were talking about wanting to trade for a big, kind of a Millsap type or a bruiser type. Nobody brought up Young, but he might be as close to a Millsap type as their is even though there's no three point shooting. Bruiser is subjective, but he could play with Towns spacing I'm sure and be an offensive hub off the bench considering Beverly is the back up point guard.

Young would be a very good fit I think for a team that is trying to make the playoffs. They probably wouldn't have a good chance to get him in a buyout over other teams so it's trade or nothing.

Minnesota is also only like 900k under the tax so that probably needs to be factored in.

Taurean Prince is expiring, so is Jake Layman, neither is key to their rotation. The podcast was not positive about Prince's performance.

Young+Eubanks for Prince+Layman+draft considerations keeps them out of the tax. Don't know if the Spurs would be comfortable going forward with only Poeltl, Jock and Zollins as their real bigs, but maybe Zollins is looking good in rehab.

For draft considerations, I'm thinking:

Wolves send lotto protected 22 first, and Spurs send back one of their 22 seconds, maybe even the Detroit pick. That functionally makes it between a 15-20 spot swap.
If the Wolves miss the playoffs, the Spurs send nothing and the Wolves send 2 seconds, one of their multiple ones this year and their own second next year.

An alternative they might be less interested in is to forget the picks and make it Young+Tre for Prince+Bolmaro. Don't know if they would be willing to part with Bolmaro, but maybe Gupta wasn't in love with him, and it was more of a Rosas pick

Just food for thought

Taurean Prince is one of the worst players in the NBA and has been for several years at this point. I couldn't support SA trading for him under any cir stances. I would not trade the Pistons second for the Minny first either. The Lakers' second? Sure. But the 31st pick is a great pick, and I wouldn't give that up for a pick in late teens or early 20s. I'd rather just waive Young. I'd hang up the phone if Minny even suggested that second trade. At some point, the Spurs are going to have to break up White/Murray. When they do, they'll need a solid backup PG. That has more value than taking yet another wing. I'm pretty confident that the Spurs don't trade Jones for Bolmaro at this point, and going from Thad to Prince makes it an obvious no.

[objective]

Taurean Prince is one of the worst players in the NBA and has been for several years at this point. I couldn't support SA trading for him under any cir stances. I would not trade the Pistons second for the Minny first either. The Lakers' second? Sure. But the 31st pick is a great pick, and I wouldn't give that up for a pick in late teens or early 20s. I'd rather just waive Young. I'd hang up the phone if Minny even suggested that second trade. At some point, the Spurs are going to have to break up White/Murray. When they do, they'll need a solid backup PG. That has more value than taking yet another wing. I'm pretty confident that the Spurs don't trade Jones for Bolmaro at this point, and going from Thad to Prince makes it an obvious no.

Prince is just an expiring contract who matches salary by himself but not enough to keep them out of the tax in a 1-for-1 deal. He literally doesn't matter, he could just be cut once the deal is done.

It's just an avenue to get something for Young instead of buying him out for free. Not only is Young crying to the media, we've already seen Pop frequently choosing Eubanks over him for minutes, and if Zollins is ready in January then he could compete for minutes also.

If the Wolves make the playoffs they'll probably have the 15th or 16th pick. Detroit could be 31, or they could get to 35, Cunningham is still growing. If the other second the Spurs have is good enough, then that's better. But I don't see the problem with the Detroit pick.

You'd rather cut Young than get 15 instead of 31? Why take Giannis at 15 when you can get Abrines at 32? Or Kawhi at 15 when you can have Bojan at 31?

And regarding Bolmaro vs Tre, I suspect Wolves fans would laugh at the idea that Tre Jones could ever be equal value for Bolmaro. The Wolves covering media also are pretty high on Bolmaro, as a big ball handler and future de facto point guard. I don't hold Tre in such high regard that I see him as the necessary future back up point guard.

[Chinook]

Prince is just an expiring contract who matches salary by himself but not enough to keep them out of the tax in a 1-for-1 deal. He literally doesn't matter, he could just be cut once the deal is done.

It's just an avenue to get something for Young instead of buying him out for free. Not only is Young crying to the media, we've already seen Pop frequently choosing Eubanks over him for minutes, and if Zollins is ready in January then he could compete for minutes also.

If the Wolves make the playoffs they'll probably have the 15th or 16th pick. Detroit could be 31, or they could get to 35, Cunningham is still growing. If the other second the Spurs have is good enough, then that's better. But I don't see the problem with the Detroit pick.

You'd rather cut Young than get 15 instead of 31? Why take Giannis at 15 when you can get Abrines at 32? Or Kawhi at 15 when you can have Bojan at 31?

And regarding Bolmaro vs Tre, I suspect Wolves fans would laugh at the idea that Tre Jones could ever be equal value for Bolmaro. The Wolves covering media also are pretty high on Bolmaro, as a big ball handler and future de facto point guard. I don't hold Tre in such high regard that I see him as the necessary future back up point guard.

Prince is radioactive. Part of my fandom would permanently die if I had to remember he was once on the team's roster.

As I've mentioned before, I think Young's recent minutes have come as a result of Pop playing Eubanks over him and that Pop will stop doing that. Yes, if Collins is ready to go, he'll get some minutes. But if the Spurs are fighting for the playoffs, Young will probably be a part of that. There will be rest games for Pop to try the young guys. But if the Spurs are in a playoff chase, they'll likely have a set rotation by that time as they tend to.

The Spurs are likely to have their own pick in the top-20, possibly before the Minny pick. If the Spurs miss out on a star, I imagine it'll be because they failed to take them with their natural pick, not because they didn't take him with their second pick.

I don't really care if Minny prefers Bolmaro or Jones. That doesn't change that PG depth is way more of a long-term need than another wing. It's not just the guys already on the roster. The team might well be in position where BPA is yet another wing ... for all three of their picks. It's one of the most saturated positions in the game. Bolmaro being a truly great prospect might make it worth it. But if he's just good or meh, then it's not a good use of the team's resources. It's by far the worst of the two offers from my perspective.

[Chinook]

I keep forgetting to put this in posts, but Young didn't leave Minny on good terms. Rather, his wife didn't do so. It's possible that she's similar to Kidd's and Korver's wives in that she's pretty vocal about location and might not want to live in a city like Minneapolis (or San Antonio, which could be part of this situation in the first place), but I don't think it's a place that Young would want to go back to, and I hope the Wolves have enough pride not to make him.

[objective]

Prince is radioactive. Part of my fandom would permanently die if I had to remember he was once on the team's roster.

As I've mentioned before, I think Young's recent minutes have come as a result of Pop playing Eubanks over him and that Pop will stop doing that. Yes, if Collins is ready to go, he'll get some minutes. But if the Spurs are fighting for the playoffs, Young will probably be a part of that. There will be rest games for Pop to try the young guys. But if the Spurs are in a playoff chase, they'll likely have a set rotation by that time as they tend to.

The Spurs are likely to have their own pick in the top-20, possibly before the Minny pick. If the Spurs miss out on a star, I imagine it'll be because they failed to take them with their natural pick, not because they didn't take him with their second pick.

I don't really care if Minny prefers Bolmaro or Jones. That doesn't change that PG depth is way more of a long-term need than another wing. It's not just the guys already on the roster. The team might well be in position where BPA is yet another wing ... for all three of their picks. It's one of the most saturated positions in the game. Bolmaro being a truly great prospect might make it worth it. But if he's just good or meh, then it's not a good use of the team's resources. It's by far the worst of the two offers from my perspective.

I keep forgetting to put this in posts, but Young didn't leave Minny on good terms. Rather, his wife didn't do so. It's possible that she's similar to Kidd's and Korver's wives in that she's pretty vocal about location and might not want to live in a city like Minneapolis (or San Antonio, which could be part of this situation in the first place), but I don't think it's a place that Young would want to go back to, and I hope the Wolves have enough pride not to make him.

I don't know anything about Young or his wife and any time they spent at Minnesota years ago, didn't even know he was married and didn't even remember him doing a half a season in lottery for that one year. He has played in the Midwest for a lot of years without seeming to have a problem with that part of the country.

Regarding Prince, that's your hangup, man. I couldn't imagine Prince making me less excited for Spurs basketball than Forbes. He won't have pop's love and affection for one.

I don't think Young lasts even if the Spurs are making a playoff chase. By not keeping quiet, even if all he wanted was playing time, that already marks him as a bad soldier. And Zollins could torpedo Young's minutes if he can stretch the floor like people imagine. Young hasn't hit a three all year.

Back to Bolmaro: lots of Wolves fans think he's a point guard in the future. That's what I'm getting at. They think he's a big point guard who also can defend point guards.

[Chinook]

I don't know anything about Young or his wife and any time they spent at Minnesota years ago, didn't even know he was married and didn't even remember him doing a half a season in lottery for that one year. He has played in the Midwest for a lot of years without seeming to have a problem with that part of the country.

Regarding Prince, that's your hangup, man. I couldn't imagine Prince making me less excited for Spurs basketball than Forbes. He won't have pop's love and affection for one.

I don't think Young lasts even if the Spurs are making a playoff chase. By not keeping quiet, even if all he wanted was playing time, that already marks him as a bad soldier. And Zollins could torpedo Young's minutes if he can stretch the floor like people imagine. Young hasn't hit a three all year.

Back to Bolmaro: lots of Wolves fans think he's a point guard in the future. That's what I'm getting at. They think he's a big point guard who also can defend point guards.

The midwest is different than Minnesota. Chicago, Indy, Cinci and Louisville are all pretty close to each other. Minnesota is another state away and is almost an island of civilization. She specifically didn't like that city, as far as I've heard, whether she was okay with Chicago or not.

Prince is sooooo much worse than Forbes -- on both ends. Dude has a VORP of 0 for his career. I can't even fathom that. And that's with Bud basically giving Taurean one okay year. He's just the worst.

Poeltl hasn't hit a three all year either. If Murray and Johnson are going to hit threes, they don't lack shooting. I don't think the Spurs are going to take as much offense to what Young said as you do. Pop's response to the comments was to increase Thad's minutes, not bench him or court martial him.

I still don't care what Wolves fans think of Bolmaro. They've seen plenty of busts go through their roster and they had hope for all of them. Bolmaro hasn't even been okay so far this year. That's not damning of him as a player, but it doesn't make me think he's a target the Spurs should be looking at given their roster. From your post, it seems like you'd be okay with the Spurs passing up on moving the Detroit second for the 15th- or 16th-overall pick to trade Jones for Bolmaro. That's bonkers. Jones has already shown to be a guy who can hold down a roster spot. Bolmaro hasn't.

[KingKev]

DeMar was unrestricted, and could have just signed somewhere, netting us nothing It’s not like we traded him in season. I was completely shocked that we got a first, let alone two seconds on top, and maybe more if we can flip Thad.

He was unrestricted with few suitors with the cap to sign him. Chicago wouldn’t have been able to sign him without making it worth our while. They gave u a first for a guaranteed 3yrs of DDR vs a potential rental if they had traded for him at the 2021 deadline. Those picks were also compensation for us eating Aminu’s contract.

[R. DeMurre]

Prince is sooooo much worse than Forbes -- on both ends. Dude has a VORP of 0 for his career. I can't even fathom that. And that's with Bud basically giving Taurean one okay year. He's just the worst.

I don't really care about either player, but just want to point out that Forbes has a career VORP of -0.3, so if you can't fathom Prince at 0, you shouldn't be able to fathom Forbes in the negative either. Prince is no defensive stud by any measure, but worse than Forbes? No way. By some metrics, Forbes was the worst defender in the league last season, but this season Doug McDermott has stepped in front of him to show him what's what.

https://www.basketball-reference.com...forbebr01.html

[objective]

From your post, it seems like you'd be okay with the Spurs passing up on moving the Detroit second for the 15th- or 16th-overall pick to trade Jones for Bolmaro. That's bonkers. Jones has already shown to be a guy who can hold down a roster spot. Bolmaro hasn't.

I listed the Bolmaro part as an alternative to get something rather than nothing. And it's not just Minnesota fans who like him, I like him a lot more than Tre Jones. Not as much as Vassell, who I'm happy the Spurs picked instead of Bolmaro, but to me it's not a hard call between him and Jones.

Bolmaro is a rookie who is 9 months younger, no surprise he might not be as established as a second year player. He's actually played more minutes the last 4 games than Jones so he might not be a total bust yet

wanting something over nothing in this specific instance is not bonkers. Bonkers is turning down the chance for a Giannis or Kawhi for the chance at a Bojan or Abrines. Semi-Bonkers is thinking that there's no point to having two 1sts because the second 1st won't be less of a mistake than the first, especially seeing as it's been like 2 drafts since their first 1st was Samanic and the second 1st was Johnson.

[BackHome]

I didn't even know Prince was still in the league as far as trades still like the Suns better

[CGD]

Spurs missed the chance to move him. He’s headed toward buy out. Should have taken Suns offer