I’ve argued Thad would be bought out since September. I am not a proponent of PATFO in their current capacity and have not been for years. Renting cap space out for draft capital is a smart move however and have also been on record saying I hope we can do it better in the coming years.
My disagreement with you and gambit is arguing Metu vs Eubanks vs Biyombo vs Mengke Bateer or Frank Brickowski is just a fking stupid conversation to begin with.
We'll be lucky to get a low 2nd for him now. Buyout is much, much more likely. And it might be stupid but thats what a fan base that doesn't have blinders on is gonna do when even some weekend GMs can foresee their mistakes in advance...thus the fking stupid conversation.
Dejounte wrote that Thad “can’t” shoot threes, and that’s what I replied to. Dejounte thought Thad was like Poeltl. Try to follow what’s been posted.
I think if there isn’t a pick coming, and that may be PHO’s position, you buyout Thad, and just go after Smith in FA. You’re not stuck paying and rehabbing Saric for what is almost always a sub par season following ACL repair surgery.
If there was any deal on the table involving draft capital or Smith it would have been made. One ESPN insider article, retweeted by the buffoons at PTR or ClutchPoints bas been recycled for 6 months. This thread should be locked.
I heard once upon a time we could have traded LMA for Wiggins, Wiseman AND the 2021 Minny pick. That debate lasted 5 months also.
I don’t think the 2021 pick was on the table, but GS certainly wanted LMA, who fit their window way better than Wiseman did. The deal was supposed to go down on draft night so they could trade Wiggins and wiseman’s rights instead of the pick, giving them flexibility down the line, but literally a day or two before the draft, Klay was injured and out for the year.
I think it’s specious to say that if there was a deal with PHO with Smith and draft capital, it would have happened by now. They damaged Smith’s value by not picking up his option, making him an unrestricted rental. He’s essentially salary ballast in this trade, with no Bird rights conveying. In addition, not making the deal early keeps us clear of a second non-playable 15 man roster occupier (Saric) along with Zollins, a bad thing in the COVID era. The reality is that most deals during the season happen ON DEADLINE DAY. Unless it’s overwhelming draft capital, I don’t want this at all. We can go after an unrestricted Smith this summer, and not be stuck with Sarics money, and standard slow Recovery post ACL season.
Agreed. Smith can be had cheap if interested this offseason. I’m pretty damn confident and have been for quite sometime Thad hasn’t received much interest and his value has been driven into the ground by an inconsistent role. Eating Saric’s deal for a first still makes a ton of sense if on the table; we have cap space that we are unable to spend and 90% of the league, especially those looking to win now have none.
I mean, I get it, but if this is the reason for the deal then wouldn't you think that Saric and a FRP into cap space would still be on the table in the summer? If the Spurs have some sort of plans for that cap space they'll have then there's no need to waste half of it early when they could still pull off the same trade should their FA plans fail. I can only see logic into rushing it if the Spurs actually like Saric and see him as more than ballast. I do, I think he'd be an asset even after his surgery but this very well might not be the case with PATFO.
I actually like the idea of waiting until this summer, signing Smith as a UFA, and then seeing if there’s anyone else interested in signing before talking Saric salary dump trade with PHO. More flexibility.
Both are terrible three point shooters and not worth arguing about. Sure, Poeltl is a worse 3 point shooter but at Young’s volume, who cares. Young doesn't fit this roster and has to go. So why go through such great lengths to argue about a guy that might not be on the roster within a month? That’s the real question.
IMO a great rotation only has 2-3 non 3 point shooters. I’m not giving one of those spots to Young. Get ‘em gone.
I don't think Saric's deal will require a first to eat. Thad's value needs to be added into the equation to make it work. Certainly, Smith is more likely to have value to the Spurs as a player this year with Collins still out and one of Landale or Eubanks being part of the trade in some capacity than he would as a straight signing with a healthy big-man rotation. The only advantage for the Spurs to try to wait would be that they could get Phoenix's 2023 pick if they wait but would have to settle for 2024 if they do it now.
I bet Ewwbanks play great with CP3 too. Imagine Poeltl in that team.
Yep, I agree, which is why the reported deal is unlikely to happen unless Phoenix get very desperate or lose a big to a long term injury prior to the trade deadline.
My point is that taking on a bad contract for Young's in order to get a late FRP isn't that enticing at all. Rather have the cap space in the summer and you can always absorb a bad contract from a tax team for draft picks if the FA plans fail. Basically, if Thad's value isn't enough to bring a good pick along with another expiring, which it probably isn't, then there's not much difference between a buyout for nothing (but having the cap space) compared to a deal with bad money on next season's payroll.
If their 2022 conveys (1-12), and it almost certainly will, 2023 is off the table, since it would be consecutive years.
No - the rule is two consecutive future picks. If their 2022 conveys they can trade their 2023 first in the summer.
You are correct. Makes me wonder why teams ever pick for another team and trade rights if the Stepien rule resets after the draft.
Well it doesn't really reset, it's simply what it says on the tin - two future firsts. Teams like the Lakers last season, or say Denver or Milwaukee this season, who have traded multiple future firsts and can't deal the picks inbetween, can trade those on draft night because they're basically trading player rights, not the actual picks. But the Stepien rule still applies for all of their future picks. It's a sort of a loophole but everyone seems to be ok with it.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a "letter of the law" thing. The way I understand the Stepien Rule is that a team can't make a trade that would leave them in a state where they wouldn't (or possibly wouldn't due to protections and such) have a first in two consecutive future drafts. The "future" part drops off on draft night for that year's picks once the selections are actually made.
Nice use of specious.
Feels like the deal is there and ball in Spurs court, where spurs are looking for a "better" offer that lands them another pick THIS year or doesn't require them to eat long term money to retain flexibility. If I'm Spurs, I'm eying CLE's two juicy SRPs (one was originally ours) for example.
Question is do they really want MORE 2022 draft capital at this point (as opposed to future assets)? Right now we're looking at a good situation for 2022: a) late lotto pick, b) essentially a deep FRP (DET SRP), and c) an increasingly interesting LAL SRP.
I agree. Not sure about the viability of waiting to use Thad the summer; more likely the Spurs "do the right thing" and buy him out if there is no deal (though i wish they wouldnt to send a gentle message to player agents).
I'll actually go the other way on Saric. I think there is value in having at least one ~9M-12M expiring in a given year, not including players that may be in the teams future plans (e.g., Jakob next year). Spurs are in the middle of a necessary paradigm shift that will require them to be opportunistic in the trade market in a way they havent before. There are fewer and fewer deals out there in that 8-13M range in recent years, and those can come in handy to combo for trades.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/01/...he-season.html
who else wants thad?
Buy-out teams lmao our only hope is to use him to facilitate a trade
I would have liked to have traded him and got smith. But since it would have hurt us in trying to resign smith I am glad we did not trade for smith.
I was lukewarm to the Suns trade when it was first floated, but once they non tendered Smith and made his contract radioactive, there’s no point. Flip Thad for something or buy him out. Sign Smith at the FA period, agree to take Saric’s contract off their cap for a FRP this summer. They’re desperate to cut payroll, which is why they foolishly non tendered Smith, making him unrestricted. Like their payroll is already sky high, and they have to pay Ayton this summer.
Thad's getting bought out.
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