Raise #6 To The Rafters Now!!!

[bigzak25]

so is your eligibility to get on amusement park rides.

[GoSpurs21]

Elliot and Moore get free passes cause of the diseases that cut each players careers short. AJ doesnt get that free pass in my book, so again no banner for Mr Overrated.

I really wish the ones that love AJ would go back and watch all the playoffs failures when he was running the team. I watched them live in person and I still think we could have won more with someone just a little more talented than AJ. AJs best move was to take it into the paint againt 3 defenders and turn the ball over. AJ had the worst outside shot. If AJ didnt kiss DRobs ass so much he would never have lasted in the league.

So what if he hit the winning shot in 99 (thats about all he did). I cant even remember who hit the winning shots for the 03 and 05 championships and I was at both games.

[whottt]

It't be one thing if the fandom was by and large either agreeable or indifferent to AJ's jersey being retired...but in the case of AJ, and no other, there is a segment of fandom that is absolutely against his jersey being retired....a small segment, a minority, but a substantial segment nontheless...

The last time there was a poll on this forum asking if AJ's jersey should be retired, AJ got his ass kicked, much to the dismay of TimVP...that was an occurence unique to this board of course...but there are a lot of people that don't want AJ's jersey retired...this was not the case with Elliott...this was not the case with Moore.

And yes...AJ was a ty PG...oooh wow, his career numbers are better than a guy that was crippled at the age of 28...that's like saying he's an Olympian because he won a Special Olympics race(without a handicap)...

I did see Johnny Moore play...and no ing way do I take AJ over pre-meningitis Johnny Moore, not even in the same league.

AJ fans should be glad that they ramrodded a crappy jersey down the throats of Spursfans...it's a testament to the power of stupid people in large numbers....but please try have some integrity and not be an embarrassment to Spursfans, by not acting like he did anything to deserve being up there, other than having a mascot like appeal.


I feel my AJ - Hitler comparisons are very valid...we look back on Hitler today and say...how did that blithering idiot get so many devotees, what in the was wrong with those people...

One day we will ask this same question when looking at AJ's jersey up in the rafters...book it.

[conqueso]

Sean Elliott's retirement is border line as well.

Oh no you didn't.

Elliott will be a hall of famer. Not just because he was an All-Star, not just because for a while there he was one of the scariest swing players in the league, but because the mother er was 6 months away from dialysis and didn't tell anyone and played professional ball at a high level and nailed the most improbable, memorable, franchise-defining shot in Spurs history. And because he got a kindey transplant and busted his ass to become the first professional athelete ever to return to play after a major organ transplant.

Dialysis isn't a death sentence, but the prospects of living a long and happy life are grim. And he knew about that and didn't tell the team doctors who would have never cleared him to play and put together a heroic effort in the regular season and playoffs, hitting a shot that is permanently impressed on the minds of every San Antonio citizen alive.

That accomplishment is bigger than 2 straight MVPs, or $9 million to poor kids on the East Side, or four career scoring les and a coke problem.

Being a professional basketball player is more than putting the ball in the bucket, or winning rings or individual awards or helping your community, although all of those things are important. Elliott did those things, and he performed miracles on the court that will be remembered by Spurs fans forever, but performed miracles off the court that eclipse anything that any other Spur, nay, any other basketball player, has ever done. He knew that there was a very real possibility, even a probability, that he would not be alive 12 months later, but put it all on the line and came up huge. And then, after being given a second chance on life, worked tirelessly to return to the game. He started his first game back, in the dome against Atlanta. His first points were a drive to the hoop for a slam ing dunk. More than the M-Day Miracle, that one play perfectly represents Sean as a player and as a person, but even more, it epitomizes the Spurs franchise as a whole, being trounced over and over but finally finding a way to overcome adversity in the end.

I'm sorry to repeat myself so much, but I don't think you understand the magnitude of that accomplishment. That's more than DRob ever did, more than Tim will ever do. You can't put it in the box score, and you can't look at a trophy to confirm that it happened, but it's the most amazing, awe-inspiring thing I have ever witnessed in professional sports. Thousands of Spurs fan feel the same way.

If that's not enough to warrant jersey retirement, if this honor shouldn't be given to a player like Sean, we live in a world with a depressingly warped sense of what's important.

He deserves it just as much as anyone who's up there or who will ever be up there.

Watch this... mms://st11g1.services.att-idns.net/v1/665/2392/nba/spurs/elliott_050306.wmv

then watch this...
http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.ph...ent_050306.smi

...and then tell me you think he's borderline.

[conqueso]

It't be one thing if the fandom was by and large either agreeable or indifferent to AJ's jersey being retired...but in the case of AJ, and no other, there is a segment of fandom that is absolutely against his jersey being retired....a small segment, a minority, but a substantial segment nontheless...

The last time there was a poll on this forum asking if AJ's jersey should be retired, AJ got his ass kicked, much to the dismay of TimVP...that was an occurence unique to this board of course...but there are a lot of people that don't want AJ's jersey retired...this was not the case with Elliott...this was not the case with Moore....

I did see Johnny Moore play...and no ing way do I take AJ over pre-meningitis Johnny Moore, not even in the same league.

AJ fans should be glad that they ramrodded a crappy jersey down the throats of Spursfans...it's a testament to the power of stupid people in large numbers....but please try have some integrity and not be an embarrassment to Spursfans, by not acting like he did anything to deserve being up there, other than having a mascot like appeal.

I feel my AJ - Hitler comparisons are very valid...we look back on Hitler today and say...how did that blithering idiot get so many devotees, what in the was wrong with those people...

I don't really feel the Hirler argument, and I do agree that some people (no names) have really inflated and overrated AJ's impact on the Spurs. (I mean, seriously, to say that the Spurs wouldn't have that 99 le, or all three, without AJ is at best highly speculative and at worst ludicrous and comical).

But whottt, take a look at that list I compiled of reasons people have come up with for why A.J. should have his jersey retired. I'll reprint it so you don't have to go looking for it:

"- He was an essential part of the best team in Spurs history; AND

- He was an amazing motivator and leader, inspiring his teammates to give their best performances for several seasons; AND

- He was a charismatic, likeable, memorable player who spent ten years with the Spurs; AND

- He was a wonderful addition to the San Antonio community; AND

- He left a definite and indelible positive mark on the Spurs franchise and the city of San Antonio; AND

- He put up numbers were by no means paltry or insignificant, and in fact in some ways were better than the numbers put up by other Spurs retirees; AND

- Other past Spurs greats (i.e. DRob, Elliott, and Kerr) all think his jersey should be retired."

The things mentioned on that list go way way way beyond having a mascot-like appeal.

Which of those do you disagree with?

If you don't disagree with any of those reasons, why do you think they aren't enough to earn the honor of jersey retirement?

I mean, Moore was the fourth option in his best years on a team that got it's ass ed in the playoffs, if it managed to even make the playoffs.

Yes, AJ did have ty years, and no, he wasn't the best player in the league at his position. Neither was Moore. Neither was Silas. And yes AJ bombed in the playoffs sometimes, but so did Elliott, and lord knows DRob did.

And as far as Moore goes, he could D up anyone and was a pretty decent passer, but when you say you'd take him over AJ in a heartbeat, I think you're devaluing the impact that a leader has on a group of people uniting to accomplish a common goal. Pop wasn't the voice of that '99 Championship team, as Sean has said. It was AJ. And that means a lot.

[ShoogarBear]

AJ = Hitler?



whottt (Coyote > DRob) is back, baby!

[whottt]

Um...the voice of that 99 championship team was Mario ing Elie. The reason the Spurs stopped being post season punching bags was Mario ing Elie. AJ was here during all those other buttkicking just like Drob and Elliott...

And of course Drob and Elliott...I mean what do you expect them to say? AJ sucked and doesn't deserve to be up there?


But Avery Johnson himself credits Elie with changing the Spurs chemistry...and Drob credited him with it at his jersey retirement...and anyone who has ever listened to Mario Elie talk knows who gave the Spurs a swagger...and it wasn't ing Avery.

I mean it's not hard to remember that the Spurs started 6-8 and Mario Elie started throwing fits about the Spurs playing like pussies. Pop still uses the Mario speech to this day(it's coming soon by the way)...and he was also the first guy to go up to Drob and say, they can't call you soft anymore, after the Spurs won a le.

Mario Elie pretty much jumps anyones ass that bashes Drob..that's a leader there. And he hit ing dagger after dagger...that was all he hit during that run...was big threes.


And another guy that gets overlooked is Jaren Jackson....Jaren Jackson was the reason we beat the freaking Lakers...he bombed the living out of them and even though we swept them, those games were cloooooooooose...You go ask a Lakerfan who they remember more from the 99 playoffs...AJ or JJ...And JJ was Mario's project.


And Moore was a great passer...and the only thing that kept him from being in the discussion as the best PG in the NBA was that his career coincided with some guys named Magic Johnson and Isiah Thomas. Moore most definitely could pass...way better than just, "good".

[whottt]

AJ = Hitler?



whottt (Coyote > DRob) is back, baby!

Well...I'm probably being a little tough on him*coughadolphcough* but you know what I mean

[Looter]

If AJ is Hitler? Then Pop is Bin laden

[conqueso]

And Moore was a great passer...and the only thing that kept him from being in the discussion as the best PG in the NBA was that his career coincided with some guys named Magic Johnson and Isiah Thomas. Moore most definitely could pass...way better than just, "good".

Moore's five best years ('82, '83, '84, '85, '86):

9.6 APG
Spurs PPG over that time period (minus Moore's PPG):
(103.7 + 102.1 + 110.2 + 102.0 + 98.0) / 5 = 103.2 adjusted PPG

Moore assisted on 9 % of the Spurs points.

AJ's five best years ('93, '95, '96, '97, '98):

8.0 APG
Spurs PPG over that time period (minus AJ's PPG):
(96.8 + 93.2 + 90.3 + 80.0 + 82.3) / 5 = 88.5 adjusted PPG

Avery assisted on 9 % of the Spurs points.

I hate nit-picking the stats, but if you look at the total team offense, and the total assists of the main distributor, you can see that the impact Moore had on the Spurs offense with his passing was equal to the impact Avery had on the Spurs offense with his passing. Yes yes, different teams, different eras, I know. Moore might beat AJ one-on-one. The fact remains that his passing was just as important to those Spurs teams of the eighties as Avery's passing was to the Spurs teams of the nineties. Just thought that was interesting.

[whottt]

Conqueso, you seem like a nice enough guy, and I am enjoying some of your stat digging,...as opposed to some of the trite arguments used by other posters in other threads...but trust me on this: You can save your breath on trying to convert or convince me that AJ is a worthy jersey retirment candidate, was a good PG, or was as good as Johnny Moore. I will be the last guy on this board to be convinced of those things, even if you were to factually prove any of them. I appreciate the effort you made to come up with some original and intelligent arguments, and you actually did get me to think for a second...but nope, it's still AJ. I saw AJ play, he just wasn't that good, wasn't a true Spur IMO, and he doesn't deserve his jersey being retired. Very good try though...and if it makes you feel any better, AJ is going to get his jersey retired, so you've got that to look forward too.

[leemajors]

aj had that weird thing going on with his jaw on the court. looked like he was always grinding his teeth or something. i like to post relevant stuff.

[conqueso]

...but nope, it's still AJ. I saw AJ play, he just wasn't that good, wasn't a true Spur IMO, and he doesn't deserve his jersey being retired. Very good try though...and if it makes you feel any better, AJ is going to get his jersey retired, so you've got that to look forward too.

You know, I hate to admit this, but I kinda feel the same way...A.J. really wasn't that good. I guess the only reason I want to see his jersey up there is because I grew up with him as the Spurs PG, and I feel all nostalgic when I think about him. One time during one of those seasons when the Spurs were playing great but destined to fail in the playoffs, I remember AJ got all pissed at some ref and got right up in his face and was chewing his ass out hardcore. He got hit with one tech, kept talking, then got hit with another tech and was emphatically ejected. The next night AJ was interviewed on KENS 5 about it, and he was wearing this t-shirt that said "GOD is GOOD" in HUGE letters across his chest. He spent the whole time apologizing and saying how much he loved the Lord and how he really liked that referee and was so sorry that he lost his temper and everything, all with that lovable Cajun accent. I remember how he used to keep trying to get Will Perdue to eat some of that "cone" bread that his wife Cassandra made. I remember when he spoke at Elliott's jersey retirement and gave Sean and Claudia a free trip to "JAAA-Pan." Whether he's worthy or not based on whatever criteria anyone might want to use, I'm gonna be there when his jersey gets lifted, and I'm gonna be cheering by balls off, just to thank him for all the wonderful memories....

[Tek_XX]

You know, I hate to admit this, but I kinda feel the same way...A.J. really wasn't that good. I guess the only reason I want to see his jersey up there is because I grew up with him as the Spurs PG, and I feel all nostalgic when I think about him. One time during one of those seasons when the Spurs were playing great but destined to fail in the playoffs, I remember AJ got all pissed at some ref and got right up in his face and was chewing his ass out hardcore. He got hit with one tech, kept talking, then got hit with another tech and was emphatically ejected. The next night AJ was interviewed on KENS 5 about it, and he was wearing this t-shirt that said "GOD is GOOD" in HUGE letters across his chest. He spent the whole time apologizing and saying how much he loved the Lord and how he really liked that referee and was so sorry that he lost his temper and everything, all with that lovable Cajun accent. I remember how he used to keep trying to get Will Perdue to eat some of that "cone" bread that his wife Cassandra made. I remember when he spoke at Elliott's jersey retirement and gave Sean and Claudia a free trip to "JAAA-Pan." Whether he's worthy or not based on whatever criteria anyone might want to use, I'm gonna be there when his jersey gets lifted, and I'm gonna be cheering by balls off, just to thank him for all the wonderful memories....

So he tried to force feed Will Perdue "cone" bread?.....WELL HANG THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW!!! And who can forget "JAAA-Pan"? And i'm sure being destined to lose in the playoffs that year had nothing to do with AJ.

[FromWayDowntown]

conqueso, are you also serious about Sean Elliott being a Hall of Famer? Frankly, and I don't mean to offend, I find that to be about as preposterous a suggestion as I've read in this forum. Sean is a San Antonio Hall of Famer; a University of Arizona Hall of Famer, too. But other than a Wooden Award, he's got no credentials to make the Basketball Hall of Fame. He never made an all-NBA team, and wasn't ever considered one of the dominant wings in his prime. He was a good player and he proved to be a big part of what the Spurs accomplished in 1999. He's a fan favorite because he's a nice guy and hit a huge shot. Sean is a lot of things that are admirable. But he's by no means a Hall of Famer.

[milkyway21]

wow people are debating over retirement of AJ's jersey to the rafters

I don't really like AJ, he's maybe one the former Spur I lost some respect.

And the jersey retirement? I can see it coming, I'm fine with it but it doesn't necessarily mean I'm glad his name is on the rafters hanging longside #50 & #32. Because those guys definitely love being Spurs. Until today. Their loyalty is beyond doubt.

And I ask myself I didn't see any INDICATION if Avery Johnson is proud being a former Spur. I can't see it in his eyes. That he wanted to be here for better or for worse. or if he even have the same respect left after the 1999 le.

I can only see that he sees the Spurs as a challenge, a team he badly wanted to beat. I can see the body language-e.g. 2003 WC finals.

Call me a sore loser, i don't care. bec felt bad losing to AJ in the 1st season game bet SA and Dallas but one sure thing AJ FEEL TRUIMPHANT WHEN HE BEATS THE SPURS than any other team in the NBA. It's like he's sending a message-He's better than anybody else? or better he's than Pops.
It's different situation when we beat Detroit in the 2005 finals-you can see Pops hugging Coach Brown as if he was sorry and there was enormous amount of respect.

twolast Q- does AJ wants to retire a Spur?

if I think he deserves it? maybe

if I'd be HAPPY if # 6 IS HANGING on the rafter?

seriously ? IMO? NO

[Warlord23]

Like many have said, if it happens, it happens ... we can't influence whether AJ's number is retired or not.

However, it'd be lowering the standards of all future jersey retirements, because the arguments in favor of raising #6 to the rafters are flimsy:

1. AJ was the vocal leader of the Spurs. So what? I'm sure we appreciate that, but he couldn't back that up with his game. The vocal leader is effective only if he can put the team on his back for at least a few games. If the criterion is simply being vocal with or without having the talent to match, I'm sure Mark Madsen will feel good about the chances of his jersey being retired some day.

2. AJ had balls, especially in the playoffs. Well, if that's the case, Robert Horry's number will have to be retired by the Spurs, Lakers and Rockets. But that ain't gonna happen. And Mario Elie had way more balls than AJ, with a shooting touch to boot.

3. AJ hit the game-winner against the Knicks. For the love of God, that was one of the most one-sided Finals in the last 20 years. That shot was hardly a series-changer, ala the Horry shot. The Knicks gave a wide berth to the weakest shooter in the team, and he happened to make it. We were leading the series 3-1, and the Knicks couldn't have beaten us even if we rested AJ for the remainder of the series. They had no answer to the twin towers.

The likes of Derek Fisher and Rick Fox have a better case for jersey retirement than AJ, but I doubt if LA is that generous to roleplayers.

Many here are confusing their personal fondness for AJ with AJ's contribution to the Spurs. Let's make a clear separation between the two things. AJ was funny, gritty and a much-beloved underdog. If fan recognition is the criterion for jersey retirement, so be it. But let us not try to justify the jersey retirement with AJ's on-court contributions, because that makes a weak argument.

[conqueso]

conqueso, are you also serious about Sean Elliott being a Hall of Famer? Frankly, and I don't mean to offend, I find that to be about as preposterous a suggestion as I've read in this forum. Sean is a San Antonio Hall of Famer; a University of Arizona Hall of Famer, too. But other than a Wooden Award, he's got no credentials to make the Basketball Hall of Fame. He never made an all-NBA team, and wasn't ever considered one of the dominant wings in his prime. He was a good player and he proved to be a big part of what the Spurs accomplished in 1999. He's a fan favorite because he's a nice guy and hit a huge shot. Sean is a lot of things that are admirable. But he's by no means a Hall of Famer.

Yeah, if you take away the kidney transplant, Elliott in the hall of fame is preposterous. But you know this is the kind of they love to do in the Halls of Fame...honor some guy who meant more to the game than just stats and les. I've been looking through the A-Z of inductees, and no one stands out to me as a "charity" inductee, but if Uljana Semjonova can be a HoFer, than so can Sean (http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers/Semjonova.htm).

I don't think he's a lock or anything, not a "first ballot" (even though they don't do that kind of thing for basketball). But accomplishing something that no other pro athlete has ever done is enough I think, even if you were just some scrub on the bench. It's like someone who only has one arm playing in the NBA...even if they totally sucked and couldn't do , they'd still get it to the HoF because that accomplishment is such an inspiration to so many people and so outlandish and amazing. Elliott also has good pro and college credentials, and add that to the whole kidney thing, and it makes me think he's going to be in Springfield some day. But that's obviously very debatable. I just don't think it's crazy, but , I also think Wilt is obviously better than Jordan and all that "MJ is the greatest player of all time" talk is bull , so who knows, maybe I'm loonier than bat .

[conqueso]

1. AJ was the vocal leader of the Spurs. So what? I'm sure we appreciate that, but he couldn't back that up with his game. The vocal leader is effective only if he can put the team on his back for at least a few games. If the criterion is simply being vocal with or without having the talent to match, I'm sure Mark Madsen will feel good about the chances of his jersey being retired some day.

Yeah Mark Madsen was a leader...a cheerleader. Comparing him to A.J. isn't fair in any way at all. A leader, especially if they are a point guard, does not necessarily have to "put the team on his back," if what you mean by that is score a bunch of points. You can score 0 points and be a good leader and motivator. It simply isn't true that "the vocal leader is effective only if he can put the team on his back for at least a few games." But even if that is true, AJ did do that, albeit rarely (see '98 against Phoenix, '95 against Denver, etc.)

2. AJ had balls, especially in the playoffs. Well, if that's the case, Robert Horry's number will have to be retired by the Spurs, Lakers and Rockets. But that ain't gonna happen. And Mario Elie had way more balls than AJ, with a shooting touch to boot.

There's more to it that just balls. Number of seasons played for the franchise is important. Whether or not you spent most of your career with another team is important. How well liked you were by the fanbase is important. Stats are important. Etc. etc. And yes, I agree, Mario Elie had balls, but he wasn't the leader of that team. He was the guy who ed out Robinson, he brought fire and passion, but he wasn't calling out plays in the huddle or running the offense or telling David where he needed to stand or when Sean needed to cut. Avery was that guy, and was extremely good at it (which is why he is proving to be a good coach as well).

3. AJ hit the game-winner against the Knicks. For the love of God, that was one of the most one-sided Finals in the last 20 years. That shot was hardly a series-changer, ala the Horry shot. The Knicks gave a wide berth to the weakest shooter in the team, and he happened to make it. We were leading the series 3-1, and the Knicks couldn't have beaten us even if we rested AJ for the remainder of the series. They had no answer to the twin towers.

Yeah, that shot doesn't really mean much to me, and it really isn't a good argument for retiring his jersey. We agree.

Many here are confusing their personal fondness for AJ with AJ's contribution to the Spurs. Let's make a clear separation between the two things. AJ was funny, gritty and a much-beloved underdog. If fan recognition is the criterion for jersey retirement, so be it. But let us not try to justify the jersey retirement with AJ's on-court contributions, because that makes a weak argument.

Again, I guess it really depends on what criteria you want to use. Whottt doesn't think AJ was as good as Johnny Moore (in like an objective, absolute sense), and that might be true, but A.J.'s impact on the Spurs as a team was just as great, if not greater. Look at the stats I've posted in this thread. It is not a weak argument to show that A.J. played a similar role and had similar success to a player who has had their jersey retired. That's actually pretty persuasive, even though I know I can never convince whottt that 6 should be retired.

[milkyway21]

3. AJ hit the game-winner against the Knicks. For the love of God, that was one of the most one-sided Finals in the last 20 years. That shot was hardly a series-changer, ala the Horry shot. The Knicks gave a wide berth to the weakest shooter in the team, and he happened to make it. We were leading the series 3-1, and the Knicks couldn't have beaten us even if we rested AJ for the remainder of the series. They had no answer to the twin towers.

[SequSpur]

so is your eligibility to get on amusement park rides.

Sean Elliott is not a hall of famer.....

[SequSpur]

Like many have said, if it happens, it happens ... we can't influence whether AJ's number is retired or not.

However, it'd be lowering the standards of all future jersey retirements, because the arguments in favor of raising #6 to the rafters are flimsy:

1. AJ was the vocal leader of the Spurs. So what? I'm sure we appreciate that, but he couldn't back that up with his game. The vocal leader is effective only if he can put the team on his back for at least a few games. If the criterion is simply being vocal with or without having the talent to match, I'm sure Mark Madsen will feel good about the chances of his jersey being retired some day.

2. AJ had balls, especially in the playoffs. Well, if that's the case, Robert Horry's number will have to be retired by the Spurs, Lakers and Rockets. But that ain't gonna happen. And Mario Elie had way more balls than AJ, with a shooting touch to boot.

3. AJ hit the game-winner against the Knicks. For the love of God, that was one of the most one-sided Finals in the last 20 years. That shot was hardly a series-changer, ala the Horry shot. The Knicks gave a wide berth to the weakest shooter in the team, and he happened to make it. We were leading the series 3-1, and the Knicks couldn't have beaten us even if we rested AJ for the remainder of the series. They had no answer to the twin towers.

The likes of Derek Fisher and Rick Fox have a better case for jersey retirement than AJ, but I doubt if LA is that generous to roleplayers.

Many here are confusing their personal fondness for AJ with AJ's contribution to the Spurs. Let's make a clear separation between the two things. AJ was funny, gritty and a much-beloved underdog. If fan recognition is the criterion for jersey retirement, so be it. But let us not try to justify the jersey retirement with AJ's on-court contributions, because that makes a weak argument.

Great take.

[Dazzle]

Avery did not do enough to be retired, as much as I love the lil bugger

[Mr. Defense]

I feel my AJ - Hitler comparisons are very valid...we look back on Hitler today and say...how did that blithering idiot get so many devotees, what in the was wrong with those people...

you wanted Negative attention from that comment, didn't you.

you thrive off negative. i can relate.

but dude, How DARE you compare a Man of God to Hitler.

Who the do you think u are?

YOU ARE the ONE SPREADING HATE.

Hitler executed Jews. God's people.

You are persecuting.

You are persecuting AJ like your doesn't stink.

How dare you. i pity you. i really do.

maybe you just don't know better.

maybe you don't realize that you just compared a point guard in the nba that is a Good friend of David Robinson, a fellow man of God to THE WORST ING MURDERER OF THE 20TH CENTURY, THE DEVIL INCARNATE HIMSELF.

what the is wrong with you man?

seriously, what the is wrong with you?

i've learned this lesson the hard way myself, Believe that.

so i'm gonna layoff after this post, but THINK before you post please.

we are all a family here. AJ is part of who we cheer for. bury the hate.


if you don't want his jersey up there, fine. that's your opinion and you en led to it.

but the sure way to spot someone losing an argument is when they pull out the compare to somone evil card.

you are bitter about something.

who the are you really? Damon Stoudamire?

[Mr. Defense]

Sean Elliott is not a hall of famer.....

dude. did i say he was? he deserves to have his jersey in the Spurs rafters and it is. end of story.

but you knew you lost that argument, so now your starting a new one, with his eligibility for the hall of fame.

you sneaky bas . i KNOW your game.