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    I hate dealing with someone who can't detect sarcasm.

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    Your last sentences were sarcasm, but your first was actually you speaking out of your hiney.

    ANd btw, i hate dealing with back trackers.

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    We don't expect them to share anything with us.
    Nah, this is pretty much a given these days. No sarcasm necessary.

    If you're so stupid as to not know the difference between wanting and expecting, I can't help you.

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    What's the difference in your case? Wanting or expecting, you should know better that it's fruitless to declassify war plans whens in the middle of the war. WHat's the point of having them classified.

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    Last I heard, war plans and strategies are highly classified. Why do some of you think the President and Rumsfeld should share those plans with the American people?

    I'm sure the President and the Pentagon have plans for their exit strategy - they just aren't stupid enough to reveal them to the whole world!
    I think what people want is something other than "we'll leave when we leave." That isn't satisfactory in light of the loss of US soldiers, serious questions re: W's reason for going to Iraq, and the unpopularity of the war at home and abroad.

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    I think what people want is something other than "we'll leave when we leave." That isn't satisfactory in light of the loss of US soldiers, serious questions re: W's reason for going to Iraq, and the unpopularity of the war at home and abroad.

    You mean, what they want is declassification of the war strategy?

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    What's the difference in your case? Wanting or expecting, you should know better that it's fruitless to declassify war plans whens in the middle of the war. WHat's the point of having them classified.
    Indeed, what is the point -- Bush had no trouble rattling off the current combat readiness of Iraqi forces and the number of bases we're turning over to them.

    It might be different if there was a question of whether we would stay.

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    You mean, what they want is declassification of the war strategy?

    no, maybe someone other than that bumbling idiot, Bush, should tell the nation what our goals are for Iraq and a rough timetable. We don't have to know exactly when we're leaving but some reassurances that we'll be leaving before this thing turns into Vietnam.

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    ^because that kind of information is easy to find out since it's visible on the ground at the moment. And when he talks about our progress it's after the fact. But declassifying material that has yet to commence is stupidity on your part to expect.

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    ^because that kind of information is easy to find out since it's visible on the ground at the moment. And when he talks about our progress it's after the fact. But declassifying material that has yet to commence is stupidity on your part to expect.

    so Bush has no plan for Iraq that he can put into words? Not a good way to run a war. He's figuring this out as he goes along? Not a comforting thought

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    NO, and i was talking to chump but you managed to post before i did. All he can tell you is that he has an exit strategy, but he cannot declassify that strategy since it is during the middle of a war. That kind of stupidity only enables the terrorist to plot out their attack on our exit strategy ahead of time.

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    Bush, should tell the nation what our goals are for Iraq
    He did say what our goals were:

    1. To find and destroy the WMDs
    2. To fight the terrorists on their turf
    3. To spread freedom and democracy
    4. To rid the world of an evil dictator
    5. Whatever else he can get people to believe and buy him some time.....

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    ^because that kind of information is easy to find out since it's visible on the ground at the moment.
    Really? Any insurgent can tell how many Iraqi battalions are combat ready just by looking around?

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    Not an insurgent, but the whole organization of Alqueda in Iraq Inc. since they have their own intelligence gathering.

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    NO, and i was talking to chump but you managed to post before i did. All he can tell you is that he has an exit strategy, but he cannot declassify that strategy since it is during the middle of a war. That kind of stupidity only enables the terrorist to plot out their attack on our exit strategy ahead of time.
    Let me ask you the obvious question. If an exit strategy cannot be revealed for national security reasons, how can you be so sure that he even has one.

    It this a case where nobody can know about the exit strategy but you?

    Or is it a matter a faith to believe in an exit strategy?

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    He did say what our goals were:

    1. To find and destroy the WMDs
    2. To fight the terrorists on their turf
    3. To spread freedom and democracy
    4. To rid the world of an evil dictator
    5. Whatever else he can get people to believe and buy him some time.....

    Those are fine. those are goals only and not strategy of how to accomplish those goals.

    In this case Bush wants an effective exit strategy. That's his goal. But the strategy itslef cannot be declassified and dumbed down to a Pheonix online certified law student... I'm just ribbing ya. Chump!

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    Not an insurgent, but the whole organization of Alqueda in Iraq Inc. since they have their own intelligence gathering.
    But don't you see we've arleady shown our hand that we're going to definitely pull out at some time?

    And that Bush's giving specific metrics about how well things are going merely shows that these are the metrics that will be used to dtermine the pullout?

    Is it really a big secret anymore?

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    Let me ask you the obvious question. If an exit strategy cannot be revealed for national security reasons, how can you be so sure that he even has one.
    With that kind of expectations, what's to keep the president and military from having to declassify every military objective just for the sake of armchair generals? Might as well keep nothing classified. If we were to have a strategy to invade NKorea, then by your standards we should declassify our moves and strategy to the whole world. That sounds assinine.

    It this a case where nobody can know about the exit strategy but you? Or is it a matter a faith to believe in an exit strategy?
    It was a matter of faith in government to expect FDR to contain hitler and defeat the japaneese. He didn't have to declassify his military strategies. But i'm thankful lefties like you didn't exist back then, since that would of secured hitler every chance to have us speaking german.

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    But don't you see we've arleady shown our hand that we're going to definitely pull out at some time?

    And that Bush's giving specific metrics about how well things are going merely shows that these are the metrics that will be used to dtermine the pullout?

    Is it really a big secret anymore?
    Ofcourse, but had we not said so, the terrorist organization of insurgents would of known that already. they know that our mission is to pull out some day. They weren't thinking that we were gonna annex iraq into the 51st state. That's a given.

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    But don't you see we've arleady shown our hand that we're going to definitely pull out at some time?

    And that Bush's giving specific metrics about how well things are going merely shows that these are the metrics that will be used to dtermine the pullout?

    Is it really a big secret anymore?
    btw, are you still asking to give away alqueda and the whole world our specific strategy to obtain such goals?

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    btw, are you still asking to give away alqueda and the whole world our specific strategy to obtain such goals?
    Nope, I hit the brick wall that is the Plan for Victory in Iraq and dropped it there. You're the one who brought it back up.

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    I'm sorry that you have split personalities and a short memory. But your last post was suggesting that since bush was already giving progress reports about the war, why not classify the exit strategy to the public. Unless you're gonna deny the last part, and suggest you were going nowhere in your suggestion.

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    What part of "you brought it back up" do you not understand?

    I am completely resigned to the administration's taking no accountability for this war and the ensuing withdrawl.

    Give me a flag to wave.

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    and even if i did, you still went on defending your previous position.. SO whose to blame?

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    All this Bush backing, and I just keep thinking about that q&a rehearsal with those troops for the Bush photo oportunity.

    Bush, he doesn't decieve, no way.

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